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Does Kucherov become the best hockey player in the world if he wins Stanley Cup this year?

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Does Kucherov become the best hockey player in the world if he wins Stanley Cup this year?

Dude has 128 Points Art Ross, Ted Lindsay, Hart Trophy, won Stanley Cup while playing injured.
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He also has the most Points in Playoffs since he entered the league.

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Great thread!
(BTW winning the Cup while injured is actually a con, not a pro, since it suggests he was less influential)
 
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I love the title.
For a moment, yes. After all playoff points is what matters. Especially if you have cups to support that stat.
 
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User9992 said:
He has better case than Mackinnon at least.
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Agreed but neither have a case. McDavid's in a tier of his own. Give McDavid a supporting cast of Point, Stamkos, Palat, Cirelli, Killorn, Coleman, Gourde, Johnson, Goodrow, Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, Cernak, Vasilevskiy or Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Burakovsky, Saad, Nichuskin, Donskoi, Makar, Girard, Toews, Graves, Grubauer and he does better than either Kucherov or MacKinnon.
 
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Hisch13r said:
Agreed but neither have a case. McDavid's in a tier of his own. Give McDavid a supporting cast of Point, Stamkos, Palat, Killorn, Coleman, Gourde, Johnson, Goodrow, Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev, Cernak, Vasilevskiy or Rantanen, Landeskog, Kadri, Burakovsky, Saad, Nichuskin, Donskoi, Makar, Girard, Toews, Graves, Grubauer and he does better than either Kucherov or MacKinnon.
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Nah, Kucherov plays like a warrior, and McDavid plays like a teen cheerleader...
 
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Kshahdoo said:
Kucherov scored the same number of points in his 2nd playoffs run as McDavid's scored so far overall.
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Gee I wonder why McDavid has so few playoff games in comparison to Kucherov. Kucherov definitely has ~4.5x the playoff games McDavid has because individually he's 4.5x the player that McDavid is. It's certainly not because the Lightning's supporting cast around Kucherov is 4.5x better than the Oiler's cast around McDavid.
 
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Hisch13r said:
Gee I wonder why McDavid has so few playoff games in comparison to Kucherov. Kucherov definitely has ~4.5x the playoff games McDavid has because individually he's 4.5x the player that McDavid is. It's certainly because the Lightning's supporting cast around Kucherov is 4.5x better than the Oiler's cast around McDavid.
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Yeah, sure, it's all about cast. McDavid's the regular's PPG this season is 1.9, McDavid's playoffs PPG this season is 1.0. Kucherov's playoffs PPG for last two seasons is 1.44. In 36 games.
 
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Did we not have a similar thread last week about a certain Avs player that has now almost been debunked?

I see a certain trend happening here.

But to answer your question directly, No!!!
 

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McDavid is the best player. We all know and agree, even if some might post differently. To be called the best - you have to do something special, or be consistent over a few years.

2 Years ago - Kucherov scored 128 points. I think all summer long he earned the right to be called 'co-best' with McDavid if some wanted to do so, it was a historic season. The problem is the following season his production went down. Absolutely good enough in the past ~3-4 years to be called #2 (cpl of others have a case too) - but for #1, his production needed to be higher to keep pace with McDavid.

I think winning a cup + smythe this year doesn't change that. Here are two paths for Kucherov to be called the co-best once again in the next few months:

1. He wins the cup this year with a historic smythe run. 40+ points (only Gretzky & Lemieux did that). If he does that? Sure - 'co-best' with McDavid, i'd buy into that. 40+ points in playoffs, pretty damn historic

2. If he doesn't do that historic smythe run (whether he wins cup and smythe or not - just no historic smythe run) - I'd want him to pace McDavid next year in the Ross/Hart/Lindsay race. Even if he ends up only a couple of points back and doesn't win - if he can show he can once again pace McDavid (and score in that ~120-130 point range), and if you combine that with his playoff record clearly better than McDavid - I think that would also be enough to earn him the mantle of "co-best" in the world.
 

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McKassian said:
Did we not have a similar thread last week about a certain Avs player that has now almost been debunked?

I see a certain trend happening here.

But to answer your question directly, No!!!
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We did.

But Kucherov swept awards and has a historic 128 point season (more than McDavid, or any other player this century)
Kucherov led league in playoff points on the way to cup last year - and leads again in playoff points again this year in round 3.

MacKinnon never won any awards - and although great on a per-game basis in playoffs, still hasn't surpassed round 2, ever.

I think the Kucherov comparison is a lot more relevant than MacKinnon. I agree with you it's still McDavid - but Kucherov at least has a path in my opinion to reasonably be called "co-best" with McDavid depending on how historic his current playoff run ends up being, or if he's able to repeat his 128 point season next year. I don't think either of those things happen - but at least I see a plausible path.
 
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