Does Buff have to go?

[Bob E]

If Trouba signs, I don't think Buff plays out his contract. If Trouba doesn't sign or is traded, Buff likely plays out his contract as a Jet.

If Trouba continues to develop into a solid top pairing dman, at his age, he becomes the priority imo. And I don't see Jets having both Buff and Trouba at $7+ mill.

 

[Jets4Life]

If Trouba signs, I don't think Buff plays out his contract. If Trouba doesn't sign or is traded, Buff likely plays out his contract as a Jet.

If Trouba continues to develop into a solid top pairing dman, at his age, he becomes the priority imo. And I don't see Jets having both Buff and Trouba at $7+ mill.

I sure hope Trouba stays, but I have a bad feeling he will walk. Trouba will want to recouperate the money he lost in the bridge deal. Additionally, he will try to squeeze as much money as possible from the Jets.

I would be looking at a 8 year $68 million contract ($8.5/year) to sign Trouba.

 

[Bob E]

Agree.

And unless Trouba has an untapped offensive game, like a PK Subban or even Buff, that's a huge overpay.

Trouba might be worth $7-$7.5 mill/yr with an improved offensive game to go along with a solid defensive game and physicality. But $8.5 mill is much too high. If he wants that, he'll be moved.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Trouba won't accept anything under 9 x 8 yr is my guess.
I could be wrong like always but I'm not convinced he wants to be here.
So trying to move Buff first would be very foolish for Chevy to do unless we get a stud RHD coming back

 

[ffh]

Trouba won't accept anything under 9 x 8 yr is my guess.
I could be wrong like always but I'm not convinced he wants to be here.
So trying to move Buff first would be very foolish for Chevy to do unless we get a stud RHD coming back

See you later troubs. Nice knowing you

 

[Eyeseeing]

See you later troubs. Nice knowing you

Agree fully with you

 

[ijuka]

Agreed.
Unless we can get some other defenceman or Morrissey becomes amazing, we are left with a 1/2D (Trouba) and three 3/4D (Morrissey, Myers, Enstrom). I doubt we can win like that. Even if Buff declines a bit, he can still be used like Shattenkirk was.

I'm very confident that Morrissey is actually a 2D. Also, trades or future prospects emerging is possible.

When a player is as bad value as Buff, there really is no room for him. Soon Morrissey will need to be paid 5mil as well... You have to evaluate who's worth their money and who's not, and Buff's not even close.

GMs often wait too long before ditching players on potentially bad contracts, then have to pay a huge price to get rid of it. Trade Buff now while he has some value.

 

[libertarian]

I'm very confident that Morrissey is actually a 2D. Also, trades or future prospects emerging is possible.

When a player is as bad value as Buff, there really is no room for him. Soon Morrissey will need to be paid 5mil as well... You have to evaluate who's worth their money and who's not, and Buff's not even close.

GMs often wait too long before ditching players on potentially bad contracts, then have to pay a huge price to get rid of it. Trade Buff now while he has some value.

No way do we trade Buff until we know for sure what Trouba plans to do. If Trouba signs long term and wants to stay then trade Buff, not before.

 

[Eyeseeing]

I'm very confident that Morrissey is actually a 2D. Also, trades or future prospects emerging is possible.

When a player is as bad value as Buff, there really is no room for him. Soon Morrissey will need to be paid 5mil as well... You have to evaluate who's worth their money and who's not, and Buff's not even close.

GMs often wait too long before ditching players on potentially bad contracts, then have to pay a huge price to get rid of it. Trade Buff now while he has some value.

Why is Buff bad value ?
He is upper echelon of offensive D men on a team that lacks offense from the back end.
You might not like the odd lapse of effort or concentration on Buffs part at times but you are somehow blind to how good he really is .

 

[ijuka]

No way do we trade Buff until we know for sure what Trouba plans to do. If Trouba signs long term and wants to stay then trade Buff, not before.

Yes, of course. That goes without saying. I'm not sure I'd trade Buff before Trouba's contract would be up in the first place, anyway.

Why is Buff bad value ?
He is upper echelon of offensive D men on a team that lacks offense from the back end.
You might not like the odd lapse of effort or concentration on Buffs part at times but you are somehow blind to how good he really is .

He's a bit of a disaster defensively and his contract is brutal. He's not bad value right now(thought certainly nowhere near good value), but might be if he declines. That contract will handcuff jets for a long time if that happens. See how many Ds actually make more money than him. He was #3 the last time I checked. Is he close to being that good? No.

 

[jets2020champs]

Jets needs Buff for playoffs. Nothing more intimidating than playing against Buff on a best of seven series. And, yes, the Jets will make the playoffs this season. And I'm hoping it's against Dallas or whatever team Rousel is on. LOL.

 

[10Ducky10]

Buff is making 7.6m and is a 1RHD on most teams. What is wrong with that? Anyone notice how much of the D's O comes from him? He scored 52 points last season and Trouba and Morrissey scored 53 combined! Chiarot and Enstrom scored 26 combined.
Anyone ever notice how many plays he breaks up in their infancy? He will not be the leagues TOI leader this year and it wouldn't surprise me if Trouba averages more.
There is nothing wrong with his contract either. He signed for 5 years when he would have got 7 in free agency and probably more than 7.6m a year.
Even if Trouba stays, is he going to be healthy his whole career? Myers is the one that should be shopped once Poolman or Nogier or someone shows they are a capable 3RHD, not Buff.
Samberg-Buff in a few years could be a nice pairing.

 

[ijuka]

Buff is making 7.6m and is a 1RHD on most teams. What is wrong with that? Anyone notice how much of the D's O comes from him? He scored 52 points last season and Trouba and Morrissey scored 53 combined! Chiarot and Enstrom scored 26 combined.
Anyone ever notice how many plays he breaks up in their infancy? He will not be the leagues TOI leader this year and it wouldn't surprise me if Trouba averages more.
There is nothing wrong with his contract either. He signed for 5 years when he would have got 7 in free agency and probably more than 7.6m a year.
Even if Trouba stays, is he going to be healthy his whole career? Myers is the one that should be shopped once Poolman or Nogier or someone shows they are a capable 3RHD, not Buff.
Samberg-Buff in a few years could be a nice pairing.

Buff scores that much, sure, but he also was a negative influence on ES scoring as a whole and I'm confident that someone like Morrissey would actually be a better influence on PP if he actually got the exact same amount of responsibility. Buff also is a disaster on PK but got tons of responsibility there.


Points are cool and all, but what actually matters is that your team scores more goals than the opponent, and with Buff that's not the case. That's a pretty bad state of affairs for your 1D.

Now I took a look at the GAR graphs posted here sometime around the summer and I see that Byfuglien is actually also behind Morrissey in overall impact. Well, didn't need the GARs for this one. Is he really this overrated?


I talked about this earlier but I'll reiterate just in case: He's the 3rd highest paid D in all of NHL. People actually think that that's fair value?

 

[Evil Little]

I talked about this earlier but I'll reiterate just in case: He's the 3rd highest paid D in all of NHL. People actually think that that's fair value?

He is a #1D who signed a five year contract in his prime. There are no comparables for that.

 

[FiveHoled]

All I can say is, as a casual fan, Buff keeps me coming out to watch games, love him or hate him at times. That is also worth something, especially in a small market like WPG.

 

[Eyeseeing]

Could be lots of fun this year.
But just in case I am making Maurice voo doo dolls.
I accept all forms of payment
"Pins and anger" sold separately
To stay OT
It won't be Buffs play holding us back

 

[dare2believe]

5th highest cap hit for 17/18.
Subban
Burns
Hedman
Weber

 

[Jets 31]

Buff is making 7.6m and is a 1RHD on most teams. What is wrong with that? Anyone notice how much of the D's O comes from him? He scored 52 points last season and Trouba and Morrissey scored 53 combined! Chiarot and Enstrom scored 26 combined.
Anyone ever notice how many plays he breaks up in their infancy? He will not be the leagues TOI leader this year and it wouldn't surprise me if Trouba averages more.
There is nothing wrong with his contract either. He signed for 5 years when he would have got 7 in free agency and probably more than 7.6m a year.
Even if Trouba stays, is he going to be healthy his whole career? Myers is the one that should be shopped once Poolman or Nogier or someone shows they are a capable 3RHD, not Buff.
Samberg-Buff in a few years could be a nice pairing.

You are 100% correct He is also the best defenseman on the Jets passing the puck up to our forwards out of our zone . Myers and Enstrom get moved long before Buff if we need cap space .

 

[sipowicz]

Buff played great in his contract year and followed that up with a real mediocre season this year and looked mostly disinterested, not exactly a guy you build a team around or want to keep round for that matter!

 

[csk]

Buff played great in his contract year and followed that up with a real mediocre season this year and looked mostly disinterested, not exactly a guy you build a team around or want to keep round for that matter!

That's not what I saw, I thought he was trying too hard to be a difference maker. How did he look disinterested?

 

[Flair Hay]

That's not what I saw, I thought he was trying too hard to be a difference maker. How did he look disinterested?

He could start by putting in that effort in our own zone and not just as our 4th forward/rover. That's where he looks disinterested way too often. The "odd time" is putting it very lightly...

That said give him less minutes and PP time and we are using him the way he should be. Myers taking his PK minutes should help the team and Buff's effort in our own end. At least I would hope it will...

 

[Constable]

Byfuglien should be moved and IMO within the coming 3 years the rest of the early Jets era core should be moved (Wheels/Little/Enstrom)

 

[Jets4Life]

Say Trouba wants $7,500,000 a year for 8 years, but obviously wants to make up for the bridge contract he signed. That would mean we would have to pay Trouba $9.0 million on top of the 7.5 million/year he wants. If we do the math, that works out to $60 million + $9.0 million / 8 years =

$8,625,000/year

That bridge deal does not seem so great now.

 

[ijuka]

He is a #1D who signed a five year contract in his prime. There are no comparables for that.

I mean, if you think that a player's "prime" is when the player is 31...

Personally, I would describe it as "on the decline".

 

[ffh]

Say Trouba wants $8,000,000 a year for 8 years, but obviously wants to make up for the bridge contract he signed. That would mean we would have to pay Trouba $10.5 million on top of the 8.5 million he wants. If we do the math, that works out to $64 million + $10.5 million / 8 years =

$9,250,000/year

That bridge deal does not seem so great now.

Do you honestly believe he will get anywhere near that. Easy decision for the team.