Does Buff have to go?

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  1. Zhamnov10

    Zhamnov10 Registered User

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    With the Oilers recent absurd signings,now dictating the price for young star players I think the Jets are going to be in a bit of a pickle soon enough when we have to start signing the young guys.I think there plan was to have a 3-4year span which they could hold on to most of their players on the roster but I don't think that will be possible.In my mind if the jets are able to get Trouba signed long term Buff is going to have to go after this year there just won't be enough money to go around.
     
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    The answer is probably yes. At some point older players will have to get moved if the young guys keep it up. I think the interesting discussion though is how they decide what young guys contracts should be. How does other teams overpaying their players effect Jets salary vs team hierarchy? Chef was the highest producer and a imo top 2 player on the Jets. Would a Ehlers really expect to make more than him when his on ice product isn't as good? I know that agents will always try to get the players as much as they can (Hence compare stats to the most overpaid similar player) but I think there are arguments to support keeping salary down in Winnipeg. One thing is for sure... it's going to be some exciting couple of years and the team could end up looking very different.
     
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    They can keep the team intact for two more seasons as we won't truly feel the crunch until Laine and Wheeler are up in two seasons. Next off-season Toby's 5.7 million comes off the books as does Mathias at $2 plus million.

    You can push things another year or two if the cap rises at 5% and you bridge Morrissey and Connor and move out expensive depth ( Lowry, likely Armia etc) in favor of ELC (Roslovic Vaselinen)

    I'm also not at all expecting Ehlers to get a tonne.

    2019-20 Jets

    Ehlers Scheiefle Laine
    6.18 6.18 9 21.36

    Connor (Bridge) Little Wheeler
    3 6.25 7.5 16.75

    Perrault Roslovic Vasalinen
    4.3 1.2 1.2 6.7
    4th line full of cheap depth vets like Cullen or players on eLCs totaling 4.5 million tops

    Forward totals: 49.3

    Defense:

    Morrissey (Bridge) Trouba
    2.75 8 10.75
    Kulikov Buff
    4.33 7.8 12.13
    Niku Poolman or equiv
    1 1.5 2.5

    7th dmen .8

    Total defense 25.38

    Total defense and goalie 74.68

    Leaving 7.5 ish million for goalies with an 82 million cap.

    The trick to managing the cap is to pay your star players and replenish the depth with cheap ELC contracts.

    It is not efficient to have older expensive players in depth roles. Chevys over abundance of forward talent will come in handy in the next number of years imo.
     
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    I think that's a question for the 2019 offseason.

    Here's how the 2018 offseason could look like:

    Ehlers (6 est.) – Scheifele (6.125) – Laine (0.925)
    Perreault (4.125) – Little (6 est.) – Wheeler (5.6)
    Connor (0.925) – F8 – F9
    F10 – Copp (1) – F12
    Guy (0.8), Guy (0.8)

    Morrissey (2.75 est.) – Trouba (7 est.)
    Kulikov (4.333) – Byfuglien (7.6)
    D5 – Myers (5.5)
    Chiarot (1.6)

    Mason (4.1)
    G2

    (Stuart 0.583) -- total: 65.767M

    Even if we assume that the cap increases only by a minimal amount, say, to 76M, we'd have 10.233M to sign 6 players (one of them a #7D). If anything "goes wrong" -- e. g., Ehlers scores like Tarasenko and gets 7.5M, or Trouba only signs if we give him 8x8, or Mason saves 0.925 and Hellebuyck 0.927 -- one guy needs to go. Could be as easy as trading Myers for a 2M guy. I heard New Jersey has a lot of cap space and few NHL defensemen, we even might be able to send him over there next offseason without taking salary back. Also, this is assuming that both Little and Trouba are willing to and actually do sign long term -- if one of them doesn't, even more cap space (Little gone or Trouba on an arbitration contract -- might go after a UFA then).

    Now, 2019, that's hard to project. One or two guys need to be gone by then. We can speculate now, but we need to watch the games first. In the 2015 offseason, the consensus was that it's better to re-sign Ladd and to trade Byfuglien if we can't keep both. Then we watched Ladd's 15-16 season and, at the deadline, nobody was surprised that he was the guy we traded.
     
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    You should pencil in the $2.65M in bonuses for Laine. Yes, you can exceed the cap for the bonuses part, but then they'll be a problem the next year when they roll over to count against that cap.
     
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    He'll complete his contract in Winnipeg IMO
     
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    I agree
    Who do you replace him with....
    Man he's underrated here
     
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    Trouba.
     
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    From our RHD perspective
    Trouba may or may not be here...
    Trouba is good, will be better no argument there.
    Myers isn't in Buff's league period.
    Buff is a potent offensive D...they don't grow on trees & before how bad I hear he is, the stats say otherwise which matches my eye test.
     
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    I don't think he HAS to go, but I think others who are on ELCs right now will need to play ball and take bridges before getting their big contracts (Ehlers, Morrissey). I'm really hoping that they will, because I think our window is opening rapidly right now.
     
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    yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    Blake's out then. There isn't room for both.
     
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    I think he'll be gone after the 18-19 season, when Laine's new contract starts. Hopefully he wont start regressing anytime soon, so we can get something in return for him.
    It will be pretty much impossible to replace what he offers to the team, but Jets have enough offensive talent to make a trade
     
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    Agreed.
    Unless we can get some other defenceman or Morrissey becomes amazing, we are left with a 1/2D (Trouba) and three 3/4D (Morrissey, Myers, Enstrom). I doubt we can win like that. Even if Buff declines a bit, he can still be used like Shattenkirk was.
     
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    Preach it brother
    Spot on
     
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    At $7.6 mill a year?
     
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    Yep
    Or do the Winnipeg bargain thing and get a much inferior player at 1/2 to 3/4 of the cost
    Inflation is a *****
     
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    If they pay Trouba $7+ mill to be a 1/2 D, then $7.6 mill is pricey for a 3/4 D in Buff. I don't see them doing that due to cap management.
     
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    Lots of things will happen before then.
    Sign Trouba first then evaluate your options.
    Buff is borderline elite
     
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    I do agree Trouba needs to be signed long term before moving Buff is an option. My hunch is Buff is here two more seasons minimum even "if" we get Trouba extended next off season. If Trouba is not in our future plans I see Buff playing here longer health permitting.
     
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    Agree here with PS 241- smart poster- knows the game !!!
     
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    trade wheeler, and put buff on right wing. :yo:
     
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    These are both terrible ideas, IMO. You're trading a top 10 winger (arguably top 5), and taking a top 4D and turning him into a middle-six winger, at best? The impact of both of these moves is to greatly weaken the roster.

    If there are cap issues, there are better ways to deal with them than going this route.
     
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    This year should be his last chance to sacrifice a bit of offense, cut down his shift lengths and actually focus when he plays in our end.

    Not holding my breath.
     
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    Guys like Wheeler don't grow on trees. Buff will be here for a long time.
     

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