Do you want Pete Deboer Fired ?? Merged: Pick the date

[JK3]

Skimming through the thread when we hired Deboer. Some funny **** in there, massive gif party after the announcement.

Some interesting stuff, the first one is spot on.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35178397&postcount=680
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35178239&postcount=664
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35179291&postcount=736

 

[schoenfeld]

i'm starting to believe PDBs "system" was a one year wonder that was carried by a lot of players having career years. If we keep stinking up the joint I don't expect Lou to do anything till thanksgiving.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

Skimming through the thread when we hired Deboer. Some funny **** in there, massive gif party after the announcement.

Some interesting stuff, the first one is spot on.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35178397&postcount=680
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35178239&postcount=664
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35179291&postcount=736

Fire him please dear God.

 

[Bleedred]

You could play the what if game the other way too and say they were Zajac/Henrique OT winners from flaming out in the first round. If that had happened Pete would already have been gone before the end of last year IMO.

Yup haha. If the even bigger idiot of a coach than Pete (Kevin Dineen) didn't put in his beer league backup in game 6 of the Florida series, we just may have been eliminated. Instead that flaming moron Dineen played Crapper in game 6, and he let in two mind numbingly soft goals that decided the game.

While I'm on the topic of Crapper and Pete's time in Florida and his relationship with Vokoun, Vokoun had a damn good reason to not like him. He played Clemmensen over a healthy Vokoun for a stretch. Playing the worst goaltender in the league over a damn good goalie like Vokoun is a fireable offense in itself. The difference between those two is pretty much the difference between either Volchenkov or Harrold, and Mark Fayne. That's the equivalent right there. And we're seeing it nightly.

 

[Benedict Parisechuk]

Skimming through the thread when we hired Deboer. Some funny **** in there, massive gif party after the announcement.

Some interesting stuff, the first one is spot on.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35178397&postcount=680
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35178239&postcount=664
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35179291&postcount=736

That first one is so accurate, its scary. Just replace Boynton with Volchenkov and Mattias with Fayne and there would be some serious foreshadowing going on.

 

[Bleedred]

The third one really isn't true. He will make guys who float and make mistakes sit, unless they're 30 something and on a BIG contract.

Whoever makes the decision to use Volchenkov and Harrold as a pair, needs to have the hammer dropped on them. That pairing is SO bad. It's a pairing you would find on a lottery team. A borderline NHL defenseman playing with a washed up useless defenseman. The amount of times those two get burned by no name scrubs is truly an atrocity. What an abomination of a pairing.

 

[R8Devs]

wow @ boynton/matthias and the guy who posted about Larsson.

I know Florida fans told us that he was bad with young players but damn.


I like his forechecking style and all---but there are so many other things that bother me; the blown leads, the lack of scoring, defensive breakdowns, personnel descisions.
Dominating possession is great and you need to have it for a good team to be successful but there are so many things this team lacks.

The fact that Lokti hasn't been on the PP, and Salvador has had PP time more than Larsson(seriously why do they not give Larsson a bigger opportunity instead of taking time away for every defensive mistake he makes), the Volch-Harrold pairing(with Fayne in the Pressbox), and JJ not playing while Gionta is kinda crazy.




The season is long and I would gladly eat my crow if he turns it around though.

 

[blamebettman*]

No.

Stevens Fired first

 

[glenwo2]

No.

Stevens Fired first

THIS.

Pete was the coach when Larry was in Steven's position as Assistant.

I think a change in coaching is needed but moreso as far as Assistant coaches go.

I love Scott as a player and always will.....but this stint as an Assistant Coach just isn't working out.

Lemaire isn't coming back unfortunately. He said it last time he only did it as a favor to Lou because things were so bad.

Hmm...well I don't know about that.

If Lou were to ask him to simply come back to replace Scott Stevens as the Assistant Coach just to help restore the Devils "D" to what it should be : A Well-Oiled Machine, I think he might consider it. Especially when he won't have to deal with the Headaches of being the Head Coach.

 

[ThePSEGPowerPoster]

**** it. Fire them all.

 

[Uli Hiemer]

look up pete's firing in florida, all the rookies hated him.

 

[Devil X]

No.

Stevens Fired first

I agree with this. The D has clearly gotten worse since Robinson left. Stevens goes got a solid D guy, i can wish maybe (JL) all those problems will stop.

 

[Karus]

We can talk about how wonderful his forechecking system is, but the bottom line is that we are not winning games and we weren't winning at the end of last season either.

They may forecheck the hell out of the opposition when there are major defensive breakdowns every game. I would rather see them play the trap and win than watch this mess. I don't care about opposing fans and TV analysts, I want this team to succeed.

If something is not working you need to change. If you are not able to change you are the one that needs to be changed.

 

[hlaverty06]

5 games were starting with this? cmon

 

[NC107*]

Some of this on Lou. Firing coaches right now isn't justified. Bring in Lemaire as a daily consultant. It will burn the coaches but if they are told it's better than being fired. The players will be confused and may not work with Pete. But some action is necessary. If I were Josefson I would be banging on Lou's door for an immediate trade he out played Gionta during pre season and yet he sits while Gionta who belongs in the AHL continues to get ice time. Larry Robinson was good at working with players young and vets helping to improve their game. I don't think Pete has that in him. Today's problems could be the cancer of tomorrow and another wasted season.

 

[SeidoN]

Skimming through the thread when we hired Deboer. Some funny **** in there, massive gif party after the announcement.

Some interesting stuff, the first one is spot on.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35178397&postcount=680
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35178239&postcount=664
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=35179291&postcount=736

wow. scary how true that is

 

[MartyOwns]

jesus christ guys. it's not about our record, or how our defense is atrocious, or how we're basically .500, or how we could have won some games were it not for XYZ.

it's about his inability to manage players. that crappy D? HE'S choosing them! in the bigger picture, he's having the larger effect of not just us losing, but to lose while stunting our prospects' growth and pissing them off, which may very well lead to them leaving free agency. I got news for you- if a lot of our D prospects don't pan out or they wind up leaving ASAP, this team is in for some really rough ****. not to mention how the losing effect might influence The Schneider's decision to re-sign.

I'm not for firing Pete- it's simply too early. but his DECISIONS have to change..not necessarily our record, although that will probably improve...or, worst case scenario, he sets us back YEARS...a la Sutter's player management abilities in stripping Patty of the C and setting in motion a lot of drama and horse****. stubbornness and ego have ruined a loooot of ****.

 

[devilsblood]

dont tell DeBoer that haha

honestly I think people are blinded by the cup run. we've been pretty bad otherwise

It's not being blinded by a cup run. It's merely factoring it into the equation.

Deboer has gone to the cup finals in half his seasons here. U need to be really bad otherwise to override that fact.

Unfortuneately we have been really bad otherwise. I do think it's too early to actually can him. But it's not too early to talk about it. So I'll allow this conversation to continue.

 

[John Iadevaia]

jesus christ guys. it's not about our record, or how our defense is atrocious, or how we're basically .500, or how we could have won some games were it not for XYZ.

it's about his inability to manage players. that crappy D? HE'S choosing them! in the bigger picture, he's having the larger effect of not just us losing, but to lose while stunting our prospects' growth and pissing them off, which may very well lead to them leaving free agency. I got news for you- if a lot of our D prospects don't pan out or they wind up leaving ASAP, this team is in for some really rough ****. not to mention how the losing effect might influence The Schneider's decision to re-sign.

I'm not for firing Pete- it's simply too early. but his DECISIONS have to change..not necessarily our record, although that will probably improve...or, worst case scenario, he sets us back YEARS...a la Sutter's player management abilities in stripping Patty of the C and setting in motion a lot of drama and horse****. stubbornness and ego have ruined a loooot of ****.

Mostly agree with you.

It is simply too early to consider letting him go. The record does not indicate it but they are playing better than a lot of teams in the conference right now. The team needs to get a homestand under its belt before people should start flailing.

At some point Pete needs to determine the best course for the team if this close but not enough play continues. Volchenkov should sit. It is obvious him and Harold (while playing better than people complain about him, myself included) are not playing up to par. Larsson has to get a long leash to get confidence in him. He is a piece of the future core. Hopefully that might get him off his nervous play. Gelinas should also be here. To me, he proved he deserved a roster spot.


Another reason I do not want DeBoer fired is because it continues the trend that the team's coaching position is not stable. We went through what, eight coaches since 2000? His system works. And frankly, I would like the Devils to keep playing this aggressive style. But I am not against doing what is best for the organization if DeBoer's choices hinder not just the pros but the farm system overall, then it might be best to look elsewhere.

 

[BeastoftheEast85]

Give him a couple more games. If this team doesn't stop finding ways to lose, he doesn't stop sitting Schneider for every winnable game, playing stupid penalty Volchenkov and AHL Harrold over Fayne, and little AHL Gionta over Josefson sack him. Then bring in Lavs. He is an excellent with a proven track record. It is clear from the last few games also that he was not the issue in Philly either.

 

[Buckingham Claude*]

I don't think Scott Stevens is at fault here. He was a great player and young defenseman respect guys who were famous. Sorry but Stevens cannot turn VOL-HAR-ZID into Scott Stevens, Ken Daneyko or Scott Niedermeyer.

I will admit Larry Robinson had a great rapport with the players but he also got flamed by Devils fans for being too soft and was fired not long after winning a cup.

Larry Robinson's cast of defenseman was a lot better than what Lamoriello has handed Scott Stevens. Scott Stevens cannot train boneheads. Volchenkov and Harrold are permanently incoherent. Stevens also cannot force a player to be mean. it has to be in there personality. Guys like Larsson and Zidlicki do not want to punish forwards when they come in the zone. This makes it so easy for opposing teams to find openings around our goalies.

Lamoriello has been the bum on this team for years now. He is great at negotiations and contracts, however his instinct with players talent has weakened over the years.

In a matter of fact, it was the grrat scouts that brought great players to Lamoriello years ago.

They would find a guy like Sergei Brylin in a cold Russian Northern town with a population of 400 people. Was it Marshal or Conte? Whatever, these were the guys who found Lou's early talent.

 

[MartyOwns]

I don't think Scott Stevens is at fault here. He was a great player and young defenseman respect guys who were famous. Sorry but Stevens cannot turn VOL-HAR-ZID into Scott Stevens, Ken Daneyko or Scott Niedermeyer.

I will admit Larry Robinson had a great rapport with the players but he also got flamed by Devils fans for being too soft and was fired not long after winning a cup.

Larry Robinson's cast of defenseman was a lot better than what Lamoriello has handed Scott Stevens. Scott Stevens cannot train boneheads. Volchenkov and Harrold are permanently incoherent. Stevens also cannot force a player to be mean. it has to be in there personality. Guys like Larsson and Zidlicki do not want to punish forwards when they come in the zone. This makes it so easy for opposing teams to find openings around our goalies.

Lamoriello has been the bum on this team for years now. He is great at negotiations and contracts, however his instinct with players talent has weakened over the years.

In a matter of fact, it was the grrat scouts that brought great players to Lamoriello years ago.

They would find a guy like Sergei Brylin in a cold Russian Northern town with a population of 400 people. Was it Marshal or Conte? Whatever, these were the guys who found Lou's early talent.

I disagree with almost everything here. but that's what makes the world go round.

 

[glenwo2]

I agree with this. The D has clearly gotten worse since Robinson left. Stevens goes got a solid D guy, i can wish maybe (JL) all those problems will stop.

Which is it? "Goes" or "Got"?

I don't think Scott Stevens is at fault here. He was a great player and young defenseman respect guys who were famous. Sorry but Stevens cannot turn VOL-HAR-ZID into Scott Stevens, Ken Daneyko or Scott Niedermeyer.

I will admit Larry Robinson had a great rapport with the players but he also got flamed by Devils fans for being too soft and was fired not long after winning a cup.

Larry Robinson's cast of defenseman was a lot better than what Lamoriello has handed Scott Stevens. Scott Stevens cannot train boneheads. Volchenkov and Harrold are permanently incoherent. Stevens also cannot force a player to be mean. it has to be in there personality. Guys like Larsson and Zidlicki do not want to punish forwards when they come in the zone. This makes it so easy for opposing teams to find openings around our goalies.

Lamoriello has been the bum on this team for years now. He is great at negotiations and contracts, however his instinct with players talent has weakened over the years.

In a matter of fact, it was the grrat scouts that brought great players to Lamoriello years ago.

They would find a guy like Sergei Brylin in a cold Russian Northern town with a population of 400 people. Was it Marshal or Conte? Whatever, these were the guys who found Lou's early talent.

Excuse me but Lou somehow managed to get us a true successor to Marty so I can't agree with you that he's a bum. Yeah the volch contract was dumb but getting Schneider more than made up for it. I just want him to jettison Volch the first chance he gets.

You could be right about Scott not being able to "train boneheads" but at the same time, it's HIS call as far as the Defense goes. PLUS, if you recall, when Robinson was in Scott Steven's place, the Devils 'D' was fine then(remember?). So it's not all on Pete here or Lou for that matter.

Scott isn't doing something right with his coaching....That's why I think it would be prudent to see if Lemaire would like to come back as an Assistant(replacing Stevens) solely to help re-create the 'D' that was a staple of the Devils franchise.

BTW, what's with the dancing monkeys?

 

[StvBroDan]

If you have read the part about Vokoun good. Now place Cory in his position(The future for the Devils) Marty may be the man right now but he will retire. If Pete mishandles this whole situation apparently the way he did in Florida. We will have No future in the net.

OH Yeah I forgot if it continues the way it has then you may see Lou behind the bench soon to save his own arse.

 

[Lous Special Sauce]

I would like to add that I did appreciate the dancing monkeys