Salary Cap: Do you trust Kyle Dubas with salary negotiations? Deux

[hector morrison]

Kinda looking like Mitch coordinated this whole thing with Ferris and Feschuk well in advance of the Matthews signing and waited until the day Matthews signed to unleash hell.

Classy Mitch Classy.

Seriously? Hard left turn!

 

[A1LeafNation]

Seriously? Hard left turn!

Because Mitch is so loveable?

He is paying Ferris to do these dick moves.

So yes he gets his share in this bitch move.

 

[hector morrison]

Because Mitch is so loveable?

He is paying Ferris to do these dick moves.

So yes he gets his share in this ***** move.

Oh come on! Swing and a miss!

 

[A1LeafNation]

Oh come on! Swing and a miss!

Why can't we look at Mitch's role in all of this?

 

[jrgtml67]

you actually thought Mathews was going to sign for 11.63 for just 5 yrs ?

Yup had a thread and called it..8yrs I said 12.6 to 13 his numbers are right on McDavids behind

 

[hockeyes]

I trust Dubas to make sure every young promising player coming out of the TML system is well paid for years to come.

 

[hotpaws]

Yup had a thread and called it..8yrs I said 12.6 to 13 his numbers are right on McDavids behind

how do you figure saying he'll get 12.6 to 13m x 8yrs is the same as what he actually signed for ?

 

[hector morrison]

Why can't we look at Mitch's role in all of this?

His 'strategy' was to wait for the other guys to sign. So,that he would not be distracted or whatever. i think no one is fooled really,pretty much all fans figured he would rack up the points this year,thus provcing his value ! However, team playoff performance will have some bearing on Mitch's contract as well.I'm not the best guesser ,but, he will get 10 million likely renewable on a different time frame than Auston and Willy and JT.

 

[jrgtml67]

how do you figure saying he'll get 12.6 to 13m x 8yrs is the same as what he actually signed for ?

Didnt say it is. I'm saying that was my guess. How do so many not see how elite he is. And dont go comparing guys who signed 2 3 4 yrs ago. Cap goes up 2 to 3m a yr so say 83 next year and 5yrs from now itll be 98m.

 

[Klinton]

I don't trust you with starting another thread. Who are you to ask if we are to trust people. We're not the ones in charge. And what if we trust him or not; who cares. We are hockey fans and we cheer on a team; we're not management.

 

[hotpaws]

Didnt say it is. I'm saying that was my guess. How do so many not see how elite he is. And dont go comparing guys who signed 2 3 4 yrs ago. Cap goes up 2 to 3m a yr so say 83 next year and 5yrs from now itll be 98m.

you said you had a thread in the summer and called it , now you're saying you just guessed an amount which wasn't even close to what he got

which leaves me wondering what you're trying to say

 

[Notsince67]

Why can't we look at Mitch's role in all of this?

If Dubas only offered 7.5, I dont blame anyone for this crap other than Dubas. It would not have been a serious offer.

 

[ottawa]

No poll this time?

 

[jrgtml67]

you said you had a thread in the summer and called it , now you're saying you just guessed an amount which wasn't even close to what he got

which leaves me wondering what you're trying to say

Never said summer. I said I had a Matthew's next contract thread with a poll on length and $ and I guessed 5yrs at 11.6

 

[A1LeafNation]

If Dubas only offered 7.5, I dont blame anyone for this crap other than Dubas. It would not have been a serious offer.

In the summer it was a fair deal, no?

It was a dick move to do it on Matthews family's big day.

 

[Seras]

Good players get paid, even if he did get overpaid what were they going to do, sign a different Auston Matthews?

Good players get paid well because there is only so much high-end talent available.

 

[Dayjobdave]

Agree. There’s no problem with the Matthews or Nylander contracts. Dubas is doing fine, and all this back seat driving about how the Leafs overpaid is just embarrassing.

 

[Notsince67]

In the summer it was a fair deal, no?

It was a dick move to do it on Matthews family's big day.

It wasn't a fair deal. He exploded in the second half of the year and he had another year left in his elc. Why would Marner accept it when he knew he had easily elevated his game to a point that could easily sustain in excess of a point per game. The offer was a waste of time and was insulting.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Remember a couple years ago when drai signed for 8 mil and eichel signed for 10 mil?

Everyone (myself included) called those contracts awful.

Now, a couple years later, their deals look pretty good.

Hopefully the same will happen for the leafs.

Although that 5 year contract still bugs me.

 

[A1LeafNation]

It wasn't a fair deal. He exploded in the second half of the year and he had another year left in his elc. Why would Marner accept it when he knew he had easily elevated his game to a point that could easily sustain in excess of a point per game. The offer was a waste of time and was insulting.

9m for a 60 point player who may or may not have had a hot streak. Come on.

Are you related to Darren Ferris or something?

 

[Notsince67]

9m for a 60 point player who may or may not have had a hot streak. Come on.

Are you related to Darren Ferris or something?

Is math hard? 1.13 p/game after January with 9 points in 7 in the playoffs is over a 90 pt rate. That isnt a streak. Proved right by his play this year. Not being able to project at the worse 82 points is incompetance. You supporting incompetance?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Is math hard? 1.13 p/game after January with 9 points in 7 in the playoffs is over a 90 pt rate. That isnt a streak. Proved right by his play this year. Not being able to project at the worse 82 points is incompetance. You supporting incompetance?

Is a 3 month point streak worth 3m per year?

 

[Menzinger]

Is math hard? 1.13 p/game after January with 9 points in 7 in the playoffs is over a 90 pt rate. That isnt a streak. Proved right by his play this year. Not being able to project at the worse 82 points is incompetance. You supporting incompetance?

It’s a 40 game sample size, less than 50% of a season:

Yes part of management is projecting, but there’s a major risk involved with such a relatively small sample. Name another player who got such a significant contract based on a scoring pace for less than 50% of a season.... hard to do

 

[Notsince67]

Is a 3 month point streak worth 3m per year?

Didn't say that. I said that 7.5 was too low. You begin at around 8.5 for 8 years. Lucky to get 9 for 5 now.

 

[Notsince67]

It’s a 40 game sample size, less than 50% of a season:

Yes part of management is projecting, but there’s a major risk involved with such a relatively small sample. Name another player who got such a significant contract based on a scoring pace for less than 50% of a season.... hard to do

You are arguing 49% over 50%? You believe 1 game is material?