Post-Game Talk: 18/19 Endless boilerplate arguments regarding Management thread | Pt. V. Oil up your mouse wheel.

[y2kcanucks]

Of course it had more to do with the players you mentioned. Obviously being able to out score your opponent is paramount to any teams success.

the point is Tom Wilson and the way he played created turnovers, time and space for his teammates. This is a fact and his role was a vital piece in the run to the cup.

As far as the comment about winning it before... his role was less as a player who played deeper in the lineup and obviously many factors go into a championship. Many a great players can't even get their teams past the first round or into the playoffs without having the necessary components and some luck....i dont think this needs to be explained to you

There you go. The bolded is all that needs to be said.

I'm not saying that we should turn into a team that doesn't have anyone who plays physical. If you read my post that you responded to, I'm saying that it's pointless to bring in talentless plugs just because they're physical. If you can bring in someone who's talented but also happens to play physical, great. But to pay a high price to bring in plugs like Dorsett, Prust, Gudbranson, and others simply makes no sense. And that's exactly what Benning has done, under the guise of "they'll create a safe working environment for our young players." That's the bit that's been proven wrong. That's also the same bit that some Benning Bro's used to justify these transactions. They too have been proven wrong. That's all this is.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Great, let that GM make that mistake. Why do we have to make the mistake just because others would?

 

[Motte and Bailey]

[MOD]

Great, let that GM make that mistake. Why do we have to make the mistake just because others would?

On behalf of @Askel thank you for moving the goalposts.

 

[KingOfTheES]

How can anyone expect a push back if no one on the ice or on the bench saw the play or even knew what happened until after the game?

I guess it's too much to hope for that the players we pay a premium for to be 'culture carriers' would notice that our rookie that is 5 games deep in his NHL career, and by far our best player through those 5 games, suddenly disappears for most of the third period. Or even notice that when he came back to the bench that he is woozy as hell and looks shaken up. Guess these guys need to be shown the tape to notice that EP40 wasn't on the bench. What a joke.

Not asking somebody to 'Bertuzzi' Matheson but there needs to be some sort of emotion or push-back after you lose your best player to a dirty play. Just a gutless showing by a largely gutless team.

 

[F A N]

It just shows you right there that other G.M.'s are as much of a moron as Benning...it probably was Chia his former boss.

Lebrun said playoff team.

 

[Hansen]

Great, let that GM make that mistake. Why do we have to make the mistake just because others would?

Is Dale Tallon really the gm of a playoff team?

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

I guess the GM's of the other 15 playoff thought it was an overpay. Also, this doesn't prove anything as GM's sign stupid contracts all time. Gudbranson was signed to make a "safe working environment for the kids" and the whole team did nothing when their best player was cheapshoted. I know Green said not to get retribution but, having our best players cheapshoted can not become routine.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I guess the GM's of the other 15 playoff thought it was an overpay. Also, this doesn't prove anything as GM's sign stupid contracts all time. Gudbranson was signed to make a "safe working environment for the kids" and the whole team did nothing when their best player was cheapshoted. I know Green said not to get retribution but, having our best players cheapshoted can not become routine.

RMB is just playing devils advocate here.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Point proven.



On behalf of @Askel thank you for moving the goalposts.

Not moving any goalposts. And I didn't have to prove my point...the Canucks did that for me.

 

[RandV]

Not sure exactly what's being discussed here, but for an obvious comparison...

Luca Sbisa
Benning Contract - 3 years, $10,800,000
Post Benning adjustment - 1 year, $1,500,000

 

[F A N]

Not sure exactly what's being discussed here, but for an obvious comparison...

Luca Sbisa
Benning Contract - 3 years, $10,800,000
Post Benning adjustment - 1 year, $1,500,000

Jason Garrison
Gillis Contract - 6 years $27,600,000
Post Gillis adjustment - 1 year, $650,000

Relevance - 0

 

[valkynax]

I guess the GM's of the other 15 playoff thought it was an overpay. Also, this doesn't prove anything as GM's sign stupid contracts all time. Gudbranson was signed to make a "safe working environment for the kids" and the whole team did nothing when their best player was cheapshoted. I know Green said not to get retribution but, having our best players cheapshoted can not become routine.

Depends on which GM. Dorion? Bergivin? Chiarelli?

See this is the type of sad and down right pathetic arguments from the Benningians: hey at least there are others who are dimmer than Jim!

This is how low we are setting the bar for a GM? Haha

 

[RandV]

Jason Garrison
Gillis Contract - 6 years $27,600,000
Post Gillis adjustment - 1 year, $650,000

Relevance - 0

Of course that's a relevance of 0 because it's a completely different situation. Garrison was a 27 year old UFA, who delivered for the first 3-4 years of his contract but floundered when he hit his 30's, as is the risk with those players. Garrison's new contract is for the past-prime mid 30's Garrison.

We got Sbisa on his 2nd contract, had a year to evaluate him where everyone thought he was horrible, except for Benning who gave with Sbisa still being an RFA gave him a 3 year extension with a significant raise. The 28 year old Sbisa on his 1 year UFA contract is still more or less the same Sbisa that we acquired 4 years ago and the same Sbisa through the 3 years of that Benning contract.

There's a small variation as Benning gave Gudbranson a 1 year contract first, and he isn't quite as horrible as Sbisa was, but otherwise it's following the same process.

 

[F A N]

Of course that's a relevance of 0 because it's a completely different situation. Garrison was a 27 year old UFA, who delivered for the first 3-4 years of his contract but floundered when he hit his 30's, as is the risk with those players. Garrison's new contract is for the past-prime mid 30's Garrison.

We got Sbisa on his 2nd contract, had a year to evaluate him where everyone thought he was horrible, except for Benning who gave with Sbisa still being an RFA gave him a 3 year extension with a significant raise. The 28 year old Sbisa on his 1 year UFA contract is still more or less the same Sbisa that we acquired 4 years ago and the same Sbisa through the 3 years of that Benning contract.

There's a small variation as Benning gave Gudbranson a 1 year contract first, and he isn't quite as horrible as Sbisa was, but otherwise it's following the same process.

And the situation at the time Sbisa signed his extension and Sbisa this summer isn't different?

 

[Melvin]

Buuut gillliiisssss

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Didnt Benning also said that a few GMs called him to say what a great contract he gave to Dorset? I feel like other GMs are just messing with Benning, complimenting his bad moves so he makes more of them in the future. Like at poker where everybody complimenting a guy who calls all in with bottom pair, they want him to keep doing that because its profitable for the rest of the table. Just my hunch though.

 

[valkynax]

Didnt Benning also said that a few GMs called him to say what a great contract he gave to Dorset? I feel like other GMs are just messing with Benning, complimenting his bad moves so he makes more of them in the future. Like at poker where everybody complimenting a guy who calls all in with bottom pair, they want him to keep doing that because its profitable for the rest of the table. Just my hunch though.

This sounds hilariously plausible

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Jason Garrison
Gillis Contract - 6 years $27,600,000
Post Gillis adjustment - 1 year, $650,000

Relevance - 0

Garrison was good when we got him
Sbisa was never good.

Now carry on.

 

[Jack Burton]

After 4 years all I gotz is Pettersson and Boeser to replace the Sedins.

F*ck you Francisco.

 

[Intangibos]

Not really sure where to post this, but where do you guys find your various statistics for games past the basics?

Specifically I would like to see how many goals are scored at various stages of the game and various situations

 

[F A N]

After 4 years all I gotz is Pettersson and Boeser to replace the Sedins.

F*ck you Francisco.

Not sure what you're trying to say here. Having Pettersson and Boeser to replace Henrik and Daniel are about as good as we can hope for without drafting a McDavid or Matthews.

 

[rypper]

Didnt Benning also said that a few GMs called him to say what a great contract he gave to Dorset? I feel like other GMs are just messing with Benning, complimenting his bad moves so he makes more of them in the future. Like at poker where everybody complimenting a guy who calls all in with bottom pair, they want him to keep doing that because its profitable for the rest of the table. Just my hunch though.

He definitely said that about the Sbisa deal. It was at a STH town hall event, I was sitting about 20 feet away from him remember it very clearly.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Not really sure where to post this, but where do you guys find your various statistics for games past the basics?

Specifically I would like to see how many goals are scored at various stages of the game and various situations

Not 100% sure they have exactly what you are looking for, but my search for most stats starts here: NHL Stats, History, Scores, & Records | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[Peter10]

Not sure what you're trying to say here. Having Pettersson and Boeser to replace Henrik and Daniel are about as good as we can hope for without drafting a McDavid or Matthews.

Havent replaced the likes of Luongo, Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Salo, (young) Edler, Kesler, Burrows.

All this team has is Horvat, Boeser, Pettersson and a couple of D (Edler, Tanev) who are in the wrong end of their career now and some good prospects. Its going to be a long way before this team will a be consistantly good.

 

[F A N]

Havent replaced the likes of Luongo, Ehrhoff, Hamhuis, Bieksa, Salo, (young) Edler, Kesler, Burrows.

This is stupid. First of all, that's not even related to what I was responding to. Second of all, did Gillis replace the above? Most of those guys weren't even Gillis' acquisitions. There was a moment in time where that group of players with Sedins at their best allowed the team to compete for the Cup.

All this team has is Horvat, Boeser, Pettersson and a couple of D (Edler, Tanev) who are in the wrong end of their career now and some good prospects. Its going to be a long way before this team will a be consistantly good.

From what you are saying, the team has their 1st and 2nd line C, and a young 1st line RW in place. You make it sound like that's nothing. They also have Quinn Hughes and "some good prospects." Yes the short term future doesn't look great, but in terms of the long term future, the team does have some good young players/prospects in place IMO.