Do we have an issue with goalie scouting?

[AchtzehnBaby]

Goalies.

We don’t have anything as a sure bet. With Andy showing his age, we need someone other than Condon.

Hogberg? Gustavsson? McKenna?

Gusty is being banked in, but has not been the heir apparent.

We haven’t been lucky the last 5 years with goalies.

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[The Lewler]

Everyone is terrible at goalie scouting.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

We are being patient with Anderson.

 

[edguy]

Goalies are such a crap shoot as prospects..

We have a number of prospects who look real good though.. Gustavsson, Hogberg, Daccord all could be NHL guys in my opinion. Mandolese and Hollett are maybe a bit more raw but definitely have some potential.

My guess is when Andy retires in a couple years, Gustavsson should be ready to be an NHL option, probably with a vet like a Condon or someone else who has experience

 

[dumbdick]

I feel like a serviceable number 1 can always be had for a 1st round pick.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

I would think we lucked into Andy. To get a Fleury or a Rinne would be nice for 5 years

 

[Engineer]

Ok

 

[CanadianHockey]

We were known as a goalie graveyard for the better part of a decade before Andy showed up, and our only noteworthy draft picks include Emery, Lehner, and Elliott.

I guess I'm trying to ask, have we ever not had an issue with goalie scouting?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Lehner, O'Connor, Driedger, the goalie future is bright here in Ottawa

O’Conner..... miss him

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

We were known as a goalie graveyard for the better part of a decade before Andy showed up, and our only noteworthy draft picks include Emery, Lehner, and Elliott.

I guess I'm trying to ask, have we ever not had an issue with goalie scouting?

Chouinard was so nice we drafted him twice!

 

[Larionov]

Goalies are such a crap shoot as prospects..

We have a number of prospects who look real good though.. Gustavsson, Hogberg, Daccord all could be NHL guys in my opinion. Mandolese and Hollett are maybe a bit more raw but definitely have some potential.

My guess is when Andy retires in a couple years, Gustavsson should be ready to be an NHL option, probably with a vet like a Condon or someone else who has experience

They definitely are tough to scout, which is why we should always have a lot of them in the pipeline. I think we should draft a goaltending prospect every year to two years. You then drop an underperformer every year and plug in your latest prospect.

 

[Caeldan]

We were known as a goalie graveyard for the better part of a decade before Andy showed up, and our only noteworthy draft picks include Emery, Lehner, and Elliott.

I guess I'm trying to ask, have we ever not had an issue with goalie scouting?

Across like a seven year stretch I think those were our only goalie picks.

I say it every draft, and it's already been said here. You pretty much need to pick a goalie in every draft. Sometimes third round or higher, sometimes late round.

But goalies are so young when drafted compared to when they actually break into the league, it's nearly impossible to project what's going to happen to a player in 7 or 8 years after their draft.

 

[branch]

I feel like a serviceable number 1 can always be had for a 1st round pick.

Sounds good lets just start handing those out like candy, f*** it.

 

[Lenny the Lynx]

O’Conner..... miss him

He sure was a very tall goalie

 

[dumbdick]

Across like a seven year stretch I think those were our only goalie picks.

I say it every draft, and it's already been said here. You pretty much need to pick a goalie in every draft. Sometimes third round or higher, sometimes late round.

But goalies are so young when drafted compared to when they actually break into the league, it's nearly impossible to project what's going to happen to a player in 7 or 8 years after their draft.

This is why I suggested just trade a high pick for an established #1, a la leaves for Andersen, Avs for varly or devils for Schneider. Pay once with a highish pick for a sure thing and be done with it. The position is too important to leave it to chance.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

This is why I suggested just trade a high pick for an established #1, a la leaves for Andersen, Avs for varly or devils for Schneider. Pay once with a highish pick for a sure thing and be done with it. The position is too important to leave it to chance.

At this point, I would seriously consider it. Seems the days of any team reliably developing netminders is over (which is another problem for the league...wtf is happening with netminders...all these goalie coaches and better equipment and training/teaching, yet goalie development is getting worse?? how?).

But only at a time when we are ready to compete. In this rebuild (or whatever the hell the team is trying to do), the best bet is a decent plugin goalie for a few years that is reasonably reliable.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

We were known as a goalie graveyard for the better part of a decade before Andy showed up, and our only noteworthy draft picks include Emery, Lehner, and Elliott.

I guess I'm trying to ask, have we ever not had an issue with goalie scouting?

Emery and lehner both would have been legit starters if not for personal issues that were impossible to predict.

Unless you're picking early when a guylike price or Fleury happens to be available, it's a total crap shoot for goalies.

Goalies don't tend to show their true colours until they're in their 20s

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

At this point, I would seriously consider it. Seems the days of any team reliably developing netminders is over (which is another problem for the league...wtf is happening with netminders...all these goalie coaches and better equipment and training/teaching, yet goalie development is getting worse?? how?).

But only at a time when we are ready to compete. In this rebuild (or whatever the hell the team is trying to do), the best bet is a decent plugin goalie for a few years that is reasonably reliable.

You can't teach mental fortitude and confidence.

Even the most mediocre backup has the ability to be amazing some nights. Consistency is what makes a good goalie great, and you can't see that in a guy till his pro career has been going for a while.

With the exception of the exceptional of course.

But even dominic hasek didn't show the world what he was capable of until his mid twenties

 

[DJB]

I feel like a serviceable number 1 can always be had for a 1st round pick.

Agreed. Goalies always seem so cheap to acquire for whatever reason

 

[dumbdick]

Agreed. Goalies always seem so cheap to acquire for whatever reason

Yep. And it makes no sense. It's the most important position on the entire team.

 

[CanadianHockey]

Emery and lehner both would have been legit starters if not for personal issues that were impossible to predict.

Unless you're picking early when a guylike price or Fleury happens to be available, it's a total crap shoot for goalies.

Goalies don't tend to show their true colours until they're in their 20s

Even if you're picking early, it's a bit of a crapshoot. Rick DiPietro, for example.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Hockey’s last laugh

Senators still looking to find franchise goalie in the draft - Sportsnet.ca

 

[swiftwin]

I feel like a serviceable number 1 can always be had for a 1st round pick.

I'm sure that's what Nashville thought when they traded us the Erik Karlsson pick so they could draft Chet Pickard.

Or like that time we drafted Chouinard with a 1st rounder, and then again with a 2nd rounder two years later.

Goalies are strange creatures. They're incredibly difficult to predict. You just gotta roll the dice and hope for the best.

 

[Micklebot]

Lehner seems to be doing well enough in NY now that he's gotten a handle on his personal issues.

 

[dumbdick]

I'm sure that's what Nashville thought when they traded us the Erik Karlsson pick so they could draft Chet Pickard.

Or like that time we drafted Chouinard with a 1st rounder, and then again with a 2nd rounder two years later.

Goalies are strange creatures. They're incredibly difficult to predict. You just gotta roll the dice and hope for the best.

I meant you can trade a first for an established goalie because, like you said, drafting them is nearly impossible.