Alright time for another go at it with a new group of guys. Hey I really loved the responses form the other two similar posts. I never thought so many people would have an opinion on Flash Hollet. Oh well here we go. These guys are either in the HHOF and have been hotly contested or arent in there yet and are already hotly contested. Jeremy Roenick - I'm sure this one will lead to a variety of opinions. Roenick has no post season all-star selections, no Cups, one Cup final appearance. He is under a PPG for his career especially after his woeful '05-06 season. His career playoff is under a point per game but not by much and the truth is he inst a bad all time playoff performer. '90, '92 even '04 are some good playoff years for him. Throw in the fact that his single season points are as follows: 107, 107, 103, 94. Pretty good. The only thing is that after that he's a 70ish point man. He did get two 50 goal seasons but my knock on him is that he didnt realyl do much with his career after he turned 24. Yes injuries hurt him. That and the lack of Cups. It bothers me too that the only time Team USA ever won anything ('96) he wasnt even on the team. Now I'd love Roenick on my team no doubt. But I look at one season, '93-94, where maybe, just maybe he was a top 10 player. That's it. To me with everything he falls short. Bill Barber - He's already in the HHOF as we know. But there are som who dont like the idea of him being there. I've heard it before and I wonder why. First off, he did have a short career, only 12 seasons. That hurts him. but his numbers in that time are good. 883 points in 903 games. 108 points in 129 playoff games. 420 career goals. Then look at his peak value. His best season is '75-76 he was 50-62-112. After that his point seasons are 89, 85, 80. He has 5 40+ goal seasons, one of them was 50. And the main thing is his two Cups. Not just cause he won them but he was a key to those Flyers Cups. Also other times when they hit the final ('76, 80) he was great, throw in a good performance in '81 as well. he was in 4 Cup finals in total. Barber is a winner, a champion. And he has a knack for clutch goals. Game 4 of the '74 Cup finals, Game 2 of the '76 Canada Cup which tied the game. Throw in the fact that he was a first team all-star once, and a second team twice. And I can find one season ('75-76) where he was easily a top 10 player, maybe even top 5. IMO he's a legit HOFer. Rob Blake - Sure he's not in yet but so far I think he has the credentials. Vezina winner in '98, First team all-star in '98, second team in '00, '01, '02. That's four right there. He is a Cup winner in '01, an Olympic Champion and dont forget he was huge in that '01 playoffs getting 19 points. Some people have a problem with Blake and I dont know why. In his prime he was a very sought after defenseman. He was always one of the best in the game, not to mentioned one of the most well rounded. Scored over 20 goals twice. He's not up there with Stevens, Niedermayer, Pronger and of course Lidstrom but after that in his pirme were there any better defensemen? He'll be in eventually. Kevin Lowe - Lets start with the Cup victories. He has six. He's a champion no one will deny that. He was also there when Canada won the '84 Canada Cup. But his career high in points is 46 even as a defenseman. Okay so maybe he wasnt an offensive defenseman and he wasnt, but on the Oilers you'd think he could muster out more than that. No post season all-star selections as well, that hurts any defenseman. 214 career playoff games, that's good but Lowe isnt someone you associate with as great. Good player on a great team yes. But I dont know why he ends up on people's lists as one of the best not in the Hall. Kenny Wharram - Played his entire career on the Hawks. First team all-star two times '64 and '67. One Cup with Chicago. Three Cup finals appearances. Career high 71 points. Lady Byng Trophy in '64. 6th in league scoring in '64, 4th in '67, then 10th in '68. To me he falls into the category that a guy like Ken Hodge falls into as well. He was overshadowed by guys on his team, and might of put up decent numbers just becuase of that. I like Wharram, I dont think he was as good as Hodge, beacuse Hodge also contributed more as well in the playoffs and has bette regular season numbers. Wharram has a short prime, and his career points is 533 in 766 games. I have never personally heard someone campaigning for Wharram, and I wouldnt put him in the Hall, but maybe someone likes him who knows. He was no Hull or Mikita by the way.