Big Phil
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Just a few random players I thought I'd list that arent in the Hall of Fame. Some of them may deserve it and others shouldnt even be mentioned. I just thought it would be nice to brainstrom a bit to see what we get.
Charlie Simmer - I'm not spearheading a movement to get him in there by any means. He had basically two great seasons and yes they were both great. '79-80 and in '80-81. Both times he was a 1st team all-star. He scored 56 goals in back to back seasons once in which he led the league. In both of those years he played just 64 and 65 games. His highest point totals are 105, 101 (in those two years) followed by 92, 80, 69. Career wise Simmer had 711 points in 712 games. Pretty god but he managed to play in only 24 playoff games. Some might say he was nothingh without Dionne and while he wasnt great after LA he still was pretty much a point a game player. IMO he was at least two great seasons away from a Hall of Fame career. A couple more like '80-81 and we'd be talking.
Dave Taylor - Twice a 100 point man. Second team all-star in '81. No Cups and 1069 points in 1111 games. His individual seasons are pretty good. He had seasons of 112, 106, 92, 91, 90 points. He had a pretty good peak value and I think on his own without Dionne he was the better player between him and Simmer. But although a lack of a Cup doesnt bug me about him its his playoff record. 92 games and 59 points. The big year the Kings had the upset in '82 he had 10 playoff points but other than that nothing stands out. Taylor never had that playoff coming out party, and he was never thought of as a winner. Its hard to associate him with greatness but some have to a certain extent. Personally I dont think he belongs in the Hall.
John Tonelli - I have always liked him. This guy was an underrated part of the Isles dynasty. Here's his credentials: 4 Stanley Cups, 6 Cup final appearances, Canada Cup MVP in '84 in which he played brilliant and two second team all-stars in '82 and '85. His career points are 836 in 1028 games. Not something that jumps out at you but he was more than just numbers. His peak wasnt too bad either. His best seasons are 100, 93, 71, 68, 69, 67 points. I'm not saying its a shame he isnt in the Hall but I've always felt that a guy like him should have been in over Gillies. If any other Islander from those teams goes in I would have picked him. That doesnt mean he should go in, you have to ask yourself does the name John Tonelli get associated with greatness?
Kent Nilsson - He had a somewhat brief NHL career, but you cant forget that he played in Sweden as well. But in the NHL he was dynamite. Just too short of a prime. He had stellar seasons of 131, 104, 99, 93 and 80 points. He helped Edmonton win the Cup in '87 and he was a huge part of Sweden's team at the '84 Canada Cup. Personally I dont know how his NHL and international career havent put him over the top. He was as talented as they came. He had 686 points in 553 career games. And its not like he couldnt score in the playoffs either, he had 52 in 59 games.
Kevin Stevens - He had a weird NHL career. Up until his injur in '93 he looked like a free ticket to the Hall, but after that he only had one good year and that was it. If he gets into the Hall it will have to be based on 5 years from '89-94. Luckily they were pretty good. His points go like this 123, 111, 88, 86, 70. After that it's a big drop. Its too bad what happened to Stevens with the drugs outside of the game and I'm sure that has hindered hs chances because his credentials are in the ballpark. He was a first team all-star in '92 and a second team in '91 and '93. He was a huge part of the Pens two Cup victories and it might surprise people that he has 106 playoff points in 103 games. That's pretty good. In the years the Pens won the Cup he had 33 and 28 playoff points. I think he's been good enough. His 726 career points might hurt him but reall his career is not unlike Bill Barber's. Both were left wingers, both had at least one monster seasons, both 3 time all-stars, both two time Cup winners and big parts of them too. Plus Stevens would have had to be considered a top 10 player in the game for a couple years for sure. To me he should be in.
Charlie Simmer - I'm not spearheading a movement to get him in there by any means. He had basically two great seasons and yes they were both great. '79-80 and in '80-81. Both times he was a 1st team all-star. He scored 56 goals in back to back seasons once in which he led the league. In both of those years he played just 64 and 65 games. His highest point totals are 105, 101 (in those two years) followed by 92, 80, 69. Career wise Simmer had 711 points in 712 games. Pretty god but he managed to play in only 24 playoff games. Some might say he was nothingh without Dionne and while he wasnt great after LA he still was pretty much a point a game player. IMO he was at least two great seasons away from a Hall of Fame career. A couple more like '80-81 and we'd be talking.
Dave Taylor - Twice a 100 point man. Second team all-star in '81. No Cups and 1069 points in 1111 games. His individual seasons are pretty good. He had seasons of 112, 106, 92, 91, 90 points. He had a pretty good peak value and I think on his own without Dionne he was the better player between him and Simmer. But although a lack of a Cup doesnt bug me about him its his playoff record. 92 games and 59 points. The big year the Kings had the upset in '82 he had 10 playoff points but other than that nothing stands out. Taylor never had that playoff coming out party, and he was never thought of as a winner. Its hard to associate him with greatness but some have to a certain extent. Personally I dont think he belongs in the Hall.
John Tonelli - I have always liked him. This guy was an underrated part of the Isles dynasty. Here's his credentials: 4 Stanley Cups, 6 Cup final appearances, Canada Cup MVP in '84 in which he played brilliant and two second team all-stars in '82 and '85. His career points are 836 in 1028 games. Not something that jumps out at you but he was more than just numbers. His peak wasnt too bad either. His best seasons are 100, 93, 71, 68, 69, 67 points. I'm not saying its a shame he isnt in the Hall but I've always felt that a guy like him should have been in over Gillies. If any other Islander from those teams goes in I would have picked him. That doesnt mean he should go in, you have to ask yourself does the name John Tonelli get associated with greatness?
Kent Nilsson - He had a somewhat brief NHL career, but you cant forget that he played in Sweden as well. But in the NHL he was dynamite. Just too short of a prime. He had stellar seasons of 131, 104, 99, 93 and 80 points. He helped Edmonton win the Cup in '87 and he was a huge part of Sweden's team at the '84 Canada Cup. Personally I dont know how his NHL and international career havent put him over the top. He was as talented as they came. He had 686 points in 553 career games. And its not like he couldnt score in the playoffs either, he had 52 in 59 games.
Kevin Stevens - He had a weird NHL career. Up until his injur in '93 he looked like a free ticket to the Hall, but after that he only had one good year and that was it. If he gets into the Hall it will have to be based on 5 years from '89-94. Luckily they were pretty good. His points go like this 123, 111, 88, 86, 70. After that it's a big drop. Its too bad what happened to Stevens with the drugs outside of the game and I'm sure that has hindered hs chances because his credentials are in the ballpark. He was a first team all-star in '92 and a second team in '91 and '93. He was a huge part of the Pens two Cup victories and it might surprise people that he has 106 playoff points in 103 games. That's pretty good. In the years the Pens won the Cup he had 33 and 28 playoff points. I think he's been good enough. His 726 career points might hurt him but reall his career is not unlike Bill Barber's. Both were left wingers, both had at least one monster seasons, both 3 time all-stars, both two time Cup winners and big parts of them too. Plus Stevens would have had to be considered a top 10 player in the game for a couple years for sure. To me he should be in.