Your post should be published in the Onion.
Bourque is probably top 3 D of all time at the worst top 5. Stevens is probably ~20 range.
That year the non dominate Bourque had 386 SHOTS (Stevens had 215)
It isn't even debatable that the NJD were the better team. They scored more gave up significantly less and won 4 straight playoff games against them.
he was not better than Lidstrom. thats a ludicrous statement IMO...
Housely and Coffey are top defensemen all time too right?
I spent a lot of time the early to mid 90's watching Bourque live... Putting him over a Robinson, Park or Potvin makes me sick to my stomach when see these list.
He wasn't a dominate defenseman. He was PP quarterback and I say that in a derogatory way.
I personally think Chelios and Stevens were better defenseman...your numbers are really meaningless to me - I look at Housely or Coffey who are top 4 all time in scoring and I laugh at Dman scoring numbers when the topic of "best" comes up.
A 40 year old Bourque put up 7g 52a 59 PTS playing 26 minutes a game in 2000-01.
He lost the Norris to a 30 year old Lidstrom put up 15g 56a 71 PTS playing 28 minutes a game.
If Bourque and Lidstrom came into the league at the same age IMO Lidstrom wins maybe 2 Norris.
if i have a peak mark howe and a peak bourque on my team and we have to defend a one goal lead with a minute left in a clinching playoff game, guess who i'm putting out on the ice first.
hint: it's not the guy with his number retired by the av's for a season and a half worth of games.
A 40 year old Bourque put up 7g 52a 59 PTS playing 26 minutes a game in 2000-01.
He lost the Norris to a 30 year old Lidstrom put up 15g 56a 71 PTS playing 28 minutes a game.
If Bourque and Lidstrom came into the league at the same age IMO Lidstrom wins maybe 2 Norris.
I seriously hope 20 years from now some kid comes along and tells you why Erik Karlsson was a better player than Duncan Keith.
Karlsson is 24 and has a Norris already. He also lost a season to a serious injury.
Keith won his first Norris at the age of 26.
I would be surprised if Karlsson does not have the better career.
Lidstrom was WORLDS better than Bourque ever was. I don't care about point totals. the league was different then.
I seriously hope 20 years from now some kid comes along and tells you why Erik Karlsson was a better player than Duncan Keith.
Lidstrom was WORLDS better than Bourque ever was. I don't care about point totals. the league was different then.
You're definitely clueless about defensemen.
I am using the same exact season. Most people that actually follow hockey seriously correctly rank Bourque ahead of Lidstrom.
Scary how people just forget eras.
pump those brakes kid..."worlds better" is a stretch , Raymond Bourque is considered at least a top 10 d man of ALL TIME BY MOST OF THE HOCKEY WORLD , this place cracks me up with some of the comments written. almost better than Zach Parise being past his prime LMAO
and Niklas Lidstrom is in the conversation for best Defenseman in NHL history.
Ray Bourque is nowhere near that.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1029907
Based on what?
Orr is significantly better than whoever you think is the 2nd best defenseman of all time.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1029907
Based on what?
Orr is significantly better than whoever you think is the 2nd best defenseman of all time.
Comments like yours just show your ignorance.
well if HF Boards tells me so, I guess it HAS to be true.
DevilMadeMe is probably my favorite poster on the board. I hope he actually comments on this "debate".
Bourque stood out against the greatest defensive era in hockey history.
I don't get this.
To me, it seems like the 80s and 90s were full of players like Gretzky and Messier putting up 150+ points. Now the great players of today are lucky to crack 100? The defenseman that go over 50 points is a pretty big deal as well.
I can't speak since I wasn't alive back then, but was 80/90 points in the 80s and 90s equivalent to 50-60 points for defensemen today?