Devils or Rangers: Who has the better future?

[Machinehead]

they need to score and not just add in more sandpaper. goodrow, blais and reaves need to be productive scorers rather than the rangers essentially relying on Panarin Strome and Zibanajed again

The Rangers are 7th in goals in the last two years.

Oh no we're relying on Panarin to score! That's a precarious position!

 

[Osakahaus]

The Rangers are 7th in goals in the last two years.

Oh no we're relying on Panarin to score! That's a precarious position![/QUOTE]

and when he goes cold?

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Panarin going cold is a PPG player

 

[Machinehead]

and when he goes cold?

We're gonna lose a few games like every team in the league when their best player goes cold?

People talk about Panarin like every team in the league doesn't lean on their stars.

Over the last 126 games, it's gotten us more goals than 24 teams. It's not a concern.

 

[Osakahaus]

We're gonna lose a few games like every team in the league when their best player goes cold?

People talk about Panarin like every team in the league doesn't lean on their stars.

Over the last 126 games, it's gotten us more goals than 24 teams. It's not a concern.

gotten you no playoffs

 

[Machinehead]

gotten you no playoffs

Right, so evidently scoring wasn't the f***ing problem lol

 

[Osakahaus]

Right, so evidently scoring wasn't the f***ing problem lol

problem is that you're the rangers and dolan looms down your neck like a vulture now that the Knicks are back to relevance for once.

 

[Machinehead]

problem is that you're the rangers and dolan looms down your neck like a vulture now that the Knicks are back to relevance for once.

Nice. So now that the scoring thing has been disproven with readily available statistics, we're just gonna do conspiracy theories.

 

[Osakahaus]

Nice. So now that the scoring thing has been disproven with readily available statistics, we're just gonna do conspiracy theories.

This is the rangers year in and year out under dolan.

 

[Platano King]

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This is the rangers year in and year out under dolan.

Don't you love when people add literally nothing of value to the discussion other than pointless shit for the purpose of a weak attempt at shit talk?

 

[Platano King]

The Devils look good, but the Rangers have a Norris winner and Hart finalist. I'm not sure the Devils have anyone as good as Panarin or Fox yet.

I think the one thing the Devils might have over us is cap flexibility, especially if Drury makes the move for Eichel. The only big contract they have long-term is Hamilton if I'm right, and we're gonna have to figure out a way to fit Krieder, Trouba, Panarin, and Fox's and Mika's big extensions in the next few years.

 

[Osakahaus]

Don't you love when people add literally nothing of value to the discussion other than pointless shit for the purpose of weak shit talk?

i can add in value

the rangers rebuild has stalled out and I see nothing but smoke and mirrors, and the NHL gifting them a 1st and 2nd overall set of picks that have yet to impress or leave a mark in the NHL. The devils will be better, the isles will be better, and the rangers can hold onto 1994 because that's the last cup they'll see for a good long time. show me actual results on the ice and not your hypothetical prospects and an asterisk norris trophy from an overrated defenseman

 

[Machinehead]

Lafreniere and Kakko are 19 and 20 LMAO

They're done. Rebuild is over.

 

[Platano King]

i can add in value

the rangers rebuild has stalled out and I see nothing but smoke and mirrors, and the NHL gifting them a 1st and 2nd overall set of picks that have yet to impress or leave a mark in the NHL. The devils will be better, the isles will be better, and the rangers can hold onto 1994 because that's the last cup they'll see for a good long time. show me actual results on the ice and not your hypothetical prospects and an asterisk norris trophy from an overrated defenseman

Right. So your idea of adding "value" to a discussion is simply the buzzwords of a 13 year old hater in an IG comment section. The NHL "gifted" the Rangers top picks......in draft lotteries where they had a ~10% chance to win each time. Adam Fox is overrated and his Norris trophy has an "asterisk" because.....Adam Fox plays for a team I don't like.

By that logic, should I consider Scott Neidermayer's Norris an "asterisk trophy?" What about Marty's Vezina trophies? They're asterisks too, right? Because they went to the team I don't like? And the Devils lottery wins? Bettman gifted them Hughes and Hischer! Of course they were rigged, they went to the bad and stupid red team and not the good blue team!

 

[Osakahaus]

Right. So your idea of adding "value" to a discussion is simply the buzzwords of a 13 year old in an IG comment section. The NHL "gifted" the Rangers top picks......in draft lotteries where they had a ~10% chance to win each time. Adam Fox is overrated and his Norris trophy has an "asterisk" because.....Adam Fox plays for a team I don't like.

By that logic, should I consider Scott Neidermayer's Norris an "asterisk trophy?" What about Marty's Vezina trophies? They're asterisks too, right? Because they went to the team I don't like? And the Devils lottery wins? Bettman gifted Hughes and Hischer! Of course they were rigged, they went to the bad and stupid red team and not the good blue team!

tell you what

i'll come back here at the end of the 2021-22 season. if the rangers finish below the devils, i will laugh. i will laugh simply at the rangers and their rebuild.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

You're hysterical. You keep chastising others that they "don't have the right to change the topic of a conversation they weren't involved in" when that's EXACTLY what you did. The conversation you foolishly butted into was about how the Rangers had unique advantages. You pointed out the Devils also had unique advantages (great job remaining on topic here btw).. then subsequently decided the conversation was really about "taking advantage of advantages" the entire time. It wasn't that at all until you started running yourself into circles (my favorite part is when one poster confused you so much that you went from arguing with them to agreeing with them without realizing it).

So let's keep going because this is fun.

You state: "Not getting a 1OA caliber player with the 1OA pick is a failure". Just a wholly dumb statement. A 1OA caliber player is exactly that.. a player that is justified going as 1OA. If he's the best player from the draft, he's 1OA caliber. There's no other way to define that term. Teams don't get to decide the relative caliber of draft classes. It's a failure to not get the best player available at each position (and I actually agree with you that it doesn't matter what consensus was at the time, GM's don't get to use that as an excuse)... but how in the f***ing world does a team who picks the best player available at 1OA fail? They did as good as they could have with that pick, by definition.

Heck, you argued EXACTLY that earlier in this thread (and then even decided to call out your future self).

As I said, you gave away the game. The goalposts have left the United States. You aren’t even trying to argue about what this discussion was about. You think you can comfort yourself into winning this discussion. Collect your likes from partisan Devil fans, if you like. What I said is clear and you are deceiving no one. I don’t need to defend what I said any further. It’s there to see.

 

[RMimagery]

Rangers axing their front office in a tantrum for missing the playoffs will set them back. Dolans ruin everything.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

It's very close but I'm gonna go with the Rangers.

 

[tomobson]

The Devil's still have a few years or more before they start to come online. The Rangers are ready to become annual playoff competitors as soon as next year. It's too soon to tell who will truly have the better team but for now you have to tip the scales towards the Rangers. Their depth on D is enviable and will only get better as their prospects start to graduate in 2 to 3 years, which is when the Trouba contract becomes moveable. The Rangers have issues at center but they have wingers that play the center role on offense which allows them to fill those holes with cheaper more defensive minded centers.

 

[MtoD]

As I said, you gave away the game. The goalposts have left the United States. You aren’t even trying to argue about what this discussion was about. You think you can comfort yourself into winning this discussion. Collect your likes from partisan Devil fans, if you like. What I said is clear and you are deceiving no one. I don’t need to defend what I said any further. It’s there to see.

Ah, the old I can't keep up so I'm going to stop talking about the subject matter entirely. It's okay, you got in over your head and you couldn't keep straight the bullshit you were spewing... it happens. You contradicted yourself multiple times fairly blatantly so the only thing that is clear is that you entered this conversation with the goal of saying whatever so you could win an internet argument. Only thing I'm disappointed about is that this is still a clear runner-up to your Tom Wilson thesis... you can do better than this.

 

[MtoD]

The Devils look good, but the Rangers have a Norris winner and Hart finalist. I'm not sure the Devils have anyone as good as Panarin or Fox yet.

I think the one thing the Devils might have over us is cap flexibility, especially if Drury makes the move for Eichel. The only big contract they have long-term is Hamilton if I'm right, and we're gonna have to figure out a way to fit Krieder, Trouba, Panarin, and Fox's and Mika's big extensions in the next few years.

Doesn't that also scare you a bit, though? The Rangers had a Norris winner and a Hart finalist and still missed the playoffs by a pretty decent margin (11 points in a shortened season). There were certainly mitigating factors with the Panarin mess, COVID and the division imbalance... but I think it geos to show both Rangers and Devils fans how far both teams really have to go to be able to compete. Even if you take out those mitigating factors + guarantee that both Panarin/Fox put up equivalent seasons, there's still a sizeable gap to overcome between cracking the playoffs and contending.

Some of the gap will surely be eaten up by development made within but its a little bit of a race against time as to how quickly that development will happen vs how many seasons will everyone already producing be able to keep at it (and I'm not really talking strictly primes here but stuff like down-years, injuries, etc.).

Don't get me wrong, I'd still much rather be in the Rangers shoes right now than the Devils (my earlier posts spelled this out but the Rangers are definitely the safer bet between the two, even if the window may already have a possible expiration date).. but it really speaks to how much more is needed throughout the line-up that a Norris/Hart caliber player isn't enough to even put you close.

 

[TGWL]

Forwards tend to exit their primes quicker than dmen, I mean it’s also a honest question to ask that. I like Zibanejad as a player but it’s still iffy to give him an 7-8 year deal.

100 % Agree. But regarding the thread, I think there's a difference between considering the future as the next 2-5 years, or considering the future being in 5+ or so years.

 

[EdJovanovski]

i can add in value

the rangers rebuild has stalled out and I see nothing but smoke and mirrors, and the NHL gifting them a 1st and 2nd overall set of picks that have yet to impress or leave a mark in the NHL. The devils will be better, the isles will be better, and the rangers can hold onto 1994 because that's the last cup they'll see for a good long time. show me actual results on the ice and not your hypothetical prospects and an asterisk norris trophy from an overrated defenseman

If the NHL is gifting you when you get a 1st & 2nd overall pick, what’s it called when you get two 1st overall picks?

 

[TGWL]

i can add in value

the rangers rebuild has stalled out and I see nothing but smoke and mirrors, and the NHL gifting them a 1st and 2nd overall set of picks that have yet to impress or leave a mark in the NHL. The devils will be better, the isles will be better, and the rangers can hold onto 1994 because that's the last cup they'll see for a good long time. show me actual results on the ice and not your hypothetical prospects and an asterisk norris trophy from an overrated defenseman

Do you consider NJD being gifted 2 #1 picks? Or is the salt just there because NYR finally had a decent draft # after years of trading away their first, or finishing mid-range because despite not winning, they just didn't suck enough?

 

[DialUp]

100 % Agree. But regarding the thread, I think there's a difference between considering the future as the next 2-5 years, or considering the future being in 5+ or so years.

It depends on which team you want to win this thread.