Speculation: Devils Defense

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  1. AvatarAang

    AvatarAang Registered User

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    Just for kicks it would be hilarious if the Devils traded Hall for a dman and got someone like OEL. Obviously hypothetical because they will never trade him but just seeing the difference in talent from their return vs Adam Larsson would be worth it.
     
  2. Zippy316

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    If the Devils hypothetically Carlson, it'll give them some balance on the first two pairs and allow them to reduce Greene's role. Devils likely just leave Mueller/Butcher to compete for 2LD next to Vatanen.

    Ideally, you want to bump Greene down to the second pairing, but I don't see how that happens. Best bet is for the Devils to hope Mueller and Butcher can continue to develop.
     
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    I would rather keep Severson. No interest in Gardiner. Even if their contract were the same I would rather have Severson
     
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    Hopefully not.
     
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    This sucks. Some of them wouldn't do gardiner for seversin so no way they'd do Hutton for seversin
     
  6. zharkenby

    zharkenby Registered User

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    Not at all... we’re looking great up front and butcher and vatanen are key pieces on D. Aside from those 2 though there isn’t much else back there
     
  7. Kid Icarus

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    Not much they can do unless they start drafting some quality dmen.

    They easily have one of the bottom 3 defenses in the league.
     
  8. Zajacs Bowl Cut

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    huh, impressive that they made the playoffs!!
     
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    Note how he's using the Cap #s from this year when the Cap is going up (from the mouth of the Commissioner) $3-5M.

    Let's just do an obvious exercise. The Caps are Cap-Compliant today. They have the following FAs for next season UFAs: Beagle (1.75M) , Chiasson (660K), Carlson (3.97M) Kempny (900K) and Jerabek (925K).
    RFAs: Wilson (2M), Smith-Pelley(650K), Boyd (660K), Bowey (703K), and Grubauer (1.5M).

    Let's assume the Caps don't retain Beagle (Salary Cap Increase 3-5M +1.75M), Chiasson (+660k), one of Kempny OR Jerabek (+~900K), Smith-Pelley (+650K). And I like many fellow Caps posters assume the Caps will likely trade a G (let's assume) Grubauer (+1.5M). Chiasson, Smith-Pelley, and potentially Beagle can be replaced by players currently in the minors making league minimum (Stephenson and Boyd) and Jerabek/Kempny replaced by (Bowey or Djoos).

    The Caps would have 3-5M + 1.75M + 660K + 900K + 650K + 1.5M. Or approximately $8.46M to give a slight increase to Wilson ($1-1.5M), a big increase to Carlson ($3-4M+) and choose to retain either Grubauer if he'll accept (2-3M) or Beagle ($2-3M).

    Again, these aren't lies, they are realities. This scenario involves some assumptions on my part, that Beagle or Grubauer will be lost/traded but the Caps can retain Carlson and Wilson without trading anyone even with the minimum Salary Cap increase excluding the NHLPA-elect escalator.

    72hockey guy is either ignorant or just innocently an Islanders fan. He could be forgiven for being ignorant but we've passed that juncture long ago. He also seems to think McLellan is our coach and that our coach would have anything at all to do with negotiating and re-signing FAs so take everything you hear from him with a large dose of smelling salt.
     
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    Mike Green would be a good addition for them too if they can't land John Carlson.
     
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    The Leafs would be effed without Gardiner. Downgrading him to Severson because of handedness is an awful idea.
     
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    I think babcock can do wonders on him. Also I don't want gardiner back
     
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    You better hope he can. If not that becomes a pretty gross defensive group.
     
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    Even with jake the mistake it's still a bad group.
     
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    Rielly and Gardiner need to be insulated with shutdown D that can actually play a top-4 game. I'd also like to remind you that this team finished with their highest point total of all-time behind this blueline, led by Rielly and Gardiner. Don't let the start of this series cloud your judgement. They need to do so much better than Severson.
     
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    They Devils need a crease clearer, they did nothing to protect the slot.

    A Bieksa or Gudbransson type. Currently, they look worse than the Islanders D, and that's the worst insult I can think of.
     
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    lying again I see.the cap is not going up 5 M unless the players elect to use the escalator and at the full 5 % Which is no guarantee. that is just what you keep doing you lie and lie again. Do you think nobody can go to cap friendly and see the truth?

    The players don't even vote on whether or not to use the escalator til june so even Mr Bettman doesn't know if the cap will go up 2M or 5M but you keep lying. I and several others have repeatedly explained this to you but you keep lying why? You also fail to include that you can't go with a 16 man roster.And that all your potential free agents must be replaced and most importantly teams must set aside about 3-5 million for injury related callups during the season.or do YOU think you'll be the first team ever in any sport to go injury free..? or do short term injury callups not get paid in your world?

    Like I say your every post is a mix of lies and half truths

    thats is why every time you spew this garbage I post the truth, devils fans and other teams arent idiots its why I direct them to cap friendly to see what a liar you are. they have a better case for getting Carlson than you want them to believe

    i get that as a caps fan you want to deter thenm from going after your players by saying we'll easily re-sign him but dont lie to do it
     
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  18. zharkenby

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    Update:

    Greene loses his man takes a penalty, lovejoy leaves 2 guys wide open i front on the PK cause he got caught puck chasing.

    Like I said, 2 serviceable defeseman On this team. Embarrassing
     
  19. StephenPeat

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    NHL salary cap to rise for 2018-19

    Commissioner Gary Bettman told reporters at the conclusion of the league's board of governors meeting Friday that the projected salary cap for 2018-19 will be somewhere between $78 million and $82 million, up from the current $75 million.

    78 - 75 = 3. The absolute minimum the Salary Cap will increase is $3M. Whether the NHLPA votes to use the escalator or not. It only goes up from there.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-salary-cap-rise-78-82m-next-season/sn-amp/

    The players and the league have to agree on on a "growth factor," which would see the cap at $78 million if it stands at zero per cent, and $82 million if it reaches five per cent.

    You and "several others" are about as right as you are smart or good at simple math.
     
  20. 72hockey guy

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    so its not 80 like you were saying earlier

    he did say "The players and the league have to agree on on a "growth factor, which means it hasnt been agreed to yet or cant you read

    which is what ive said all along, not you however

    but at least now you admit i was right
     
  21. zharkenby

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    And there’s John Moore doing his part. These guys are not nhl players. Obvious to anyone watching this game
     
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    NJ could really use a LHD to play in front of Butcher and Greene on the left side.

    Vatanen, Severson, Santini has the potential to be a good right side in my opinion.
     
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    $80M is exactly half the difference between those two projections. I'd say that inference alone is more reasonable than every single post you've made on the subject.
     
  24. StephenPeat

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    I'm going to make this easy for you. Please explain how a team that is Cap Compliant with a 23-man roster and $75M Salary Cap today (Capitals) cannot simply decide not to resign two players making $1.75M (Jay Beagle) and ~$900K (Kempny/Jerabek) and combine those savings with the Cap Increase ($3-5M) and NOT be able to offer Tom Wilson ($1M) and John Carlson ($3.5M) raises? Assuming Grubauer is likely traded.

    Keep in mind $1.75 + 900K + 3 (minimum) is $4.65

    Also remember Bowey/Djoos can replace Kempny/Jerabek and Stephenson/Boyd can replace Beagle.

    As to the bolded, when I read your posts it's easy to be dumbfounded because I've definitely found the dumb.
     
  25. 72hockey guy

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    no it is not, its not factual, it totally is out of the leagues hands, it totally depends on the players

    and many players dont like being taxed 15% just so free agents that year can get more in free agency. especially the rank and file who dont make 7 or 8 million, your typical young player making 2m-4M lose on the average half a million to escrow for nothing

    so the cap is 78M until the players agree to the escalator which is no sure thing and you still arent accounting for injuries or will the caps play with only 16 players and be injury free all year?

    youre assuming somebody will take orpik with no cap consequence and that you can get by with only 4 defenseman

    so goahead make a roster with 22 players grubauer and holtby, orpik still on the team and kempny and Carlson resignned for 8m and leaving at least 3-5m million left to account for normal injurys

    YOUD ALSO HAVE A PISS POOR DEFENSE WITH BOWEY AND JERABEK ON YOUR 2ND PAIR

    you cant do it and you know it

    I dont care about your assumptions and neither does anyone else they are hogwashs
     
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