Post-Game Talk: Devils beat Bruins 3-2! f***ing Right Edition

[StevenToddIves]

Mac Black last 17 starts + 1 relief appearance:

12-2-3
129 point pace over 82 game season
.936 Save Percent

UNREAL

It's funny how little credit the mainstream hockey media seems to give young Devils players. I'm far from an expert on goaltending, but as a long-time hockey writer it's tough to see how Blackwood is not as talented as far-more-hyped division goaltenders Hart, Shesterkin, Samsonov and Sorokin. Blackwood could certainly wind up being the best goalie in the division for a very long time.

 

[StevenToddIves]

At this point, no one is touching Severson (and likely Murray when he's back) but all others 'could' swap out.
I could see Ty getting a rookie rest.
I could see Kulikov, Vats, and Subban rotating with the occasional Butcher sub.

What luxury.

I might take back Kulikov. He's been really really great the whole year.

I'd like to see Fitzgerald re-sign both Murray and Kulikov (of course depending on their $$$ demands being reasonable).

 

[StevenToddIves]

So upside is Brylin 2.0

Downside Zharkov 2.0

I have to disagree with these comparables, since not only is Sharangovich nothing like these players stylistically, but he's also not even Russian.

Sharangovich lacks a singular "elite" tool, but he has several very good traits and no discernible weakness. He offers size and speed, good smarts and compete, a very good shot and decent vision, good two-way ability.

Then, we have to take into account his desirable versatility. As a rookie, he is already able to plug in on the PK or PP, and he's a kid who can play center or the wing. He's only going to get better.

Right now, I'll say we all slept on Sharangovich for too long. He just has too many NHL abilities to not make it, at least as a prominent bottom-6 contributor. Best case scenario, he develops into a middle-six Swiss-army-knife who enjoys a few seasons of 20-goal production.

 

[glenwo2]

You could argue that Shero has now been fired twice for being too stubborn to move on from a head coach.

That's not an argument.

That's now FACT.

 

[NjdevilfanJim]

No they shouldn't.

You don't understand what Rat-bastard was trying to do.

He was trying to make the Devils go after him and commit a Penalty so the Broons can go on the Powerplay.


I would love for Rat-Bastard to get trucked into next week but I'd rather frustrate the F out of him and win the game instead.

Disagree I do know what he was trying to do he doesn't just look for penalties he looks to hurt players just like he did with MOJO a guy with concussion issues he cheap shotted him to hurt him.....He was trying to cheap shot Hughes you don't let that happen because sometimes it's an injury that comes of it not a penalty kill....Only way to deal with him is get him first.....Rather kill a penalty then see a guy go out injured.....

 

[glenwo2]

Probably...I think he's got a much better scoring touch than Zharkov though

He is much bigger and stronger than Brylin too

Edit: Sharangovich already has as many career NHL goals as Zharkov did in 82 NHL games

Zharkov NHL Totals 82 2 12 14 10

 

[glenwo2]

It's funny how little credit the mainstream hockey media seems to give young Devils players. I'm far from an expert on goaltending, but as a long-time hockey writer it's tough to see how Blackwood is not as talented as far-more-hyped division goaltenders Hart, Shesterkin, Samsonov and Sorokin. Blackwood could certainly wind up being the best goalie in the division for a very long time.

It's Original-Six'ism where the only credit is really given to those Original Six teams for EVERYTHING and disregarding other teams.

 

[My3Sons]

I'd like to see Fitzgerald re-sign both Murray and Kulikov (of course depending on their $$$ demands being reasonable).

I'd like to see Murray extend for two or three seasons but I'd only want one more year of Kulikov. That left side of Binghamton isn't going to stay in Binghamton for long. At least one if not more than one of those guys is going to develop in the next year or so and need at least a bottom pairing NHL slot. Smith already looks like he can play as a mid pairing guy. I have no problem with Murray on a top pair for a few more years since he's not old and sure his back is a risk but that's why he takes a reasonable deal in terms of money and term. Maybe one of the guys in Binghamton can be a mid pair guy by the end of next season and then maybe you have two midpair guys on the left to play behind a legit top pair guy in Murray. That's depth. Pair Murray with Severson since they are buddies and that's got to be a nice selling point to Murray to stay. Find Smith a complement on the right side or force PK to play conservatively on threat of benching. Find a right handed version of Kulikov to bridge the third pair until Walsh sinks or swims.

 

[Emperoreddy]

It's funny how little credit the mainstream hockey media seems to give young Devils players. I'm far from an expert on goaltending, but as a long-time hockey writer it's tough to see how Blackwood is not as talented as far-more-hyped division goaltenders Hart, Shesterkin, Samsonov and Sorokin. Blackwood could certainly wind up being the best goalie in the division for a very long time.

He is clearly better then all three Russians right now.

 

[StevenToddIves]

Big issues at center too. Zib is having an awful season. Strome is garbage. Chytl isn't a bad player, but he isn't a top 6 center in my eyes.

Not an easy position to fill either. High end centers are hard to come by.

It's funny to play "I told ya so", but I can't stop thinking about that 2017 draft where I took some heat for saying the Rangers pick of Lias Andersson at #7 overall was going to go down as their biggest draft-day blunder since Hugh Jessiman.

It's not just that I did not have Andersson ranked as a first-round pick -- he lacked both scoring skills and compete level, a brutal combination for a kid taken in the top 10. But it was also that the Rangers needed a center to build around and the Rangers passed on some very good ones -- Gabe Vilardi and Nick Suzuki and (I know he busted too but he would have been a better pick) Casey Mittlestadt to take a kid who did not display the skills of anything beyond a bottom six LW.

The Rangers recovered a bit later in the round to take Filip Chytil, whom I really like. Still, though Chytil is still listed as a center, I see his future more on the wing, and most of my Rangers fan friends (we all have a lot of those, ha) would tend to agree.

The Rangers repeated this mistake two years later in the second round when they took Karl Henriksson with John Farinacci still on the board. Farinacci projected as an excellent, two-way second line center and they went with Henriksson -- bigger, but slower, less skilled, less competitive and a lower hockey IQ. It made little sense, considering Farinacci is also local -- a New Jersey product, but I do think that the Rangers are occasionally guilty of trying to make all their regional scouts happy rather than taking the best available player, especially at forward.

 

[billingtons ghost]

For some reason, and I could be way off, he reminds me of a poor man’s Billy Guerin when he played for us.

Rich man's Sergei Kalinin.

 

[billingtons ghost]

It's funny to play "I told ya so", but I can't stop thinking about that 2017 draft where I took some heat for saying the Rangers pick of Lias Andersson at #7 overall was going to go down as their biggest draft-day blunder since Hugh Jessiman.

It's not just that I did not have Andersson ranked as a first-round pick -- he lacked both scoring skills and compete level, a brutal combination for a kid taken in the top 10. But it was also that the Rangers needed a center to build around and the Rangers passed on some very good ones -- Gabe Vilardi and Nick Suzuki and (I know he busted too but he would have been a better pick) Casey Mittlestadt to take a kid who did not display the skills of anything beyond a bottom six LW.

The Rangers recovered a bit later in the round to take Filip Chytil, whom I really like. Still, though Chytil is still listed as a center, I see his future more on the wing, and most of my Rangers fan friends (we all have a lot of those, ha) would tend to agree.

The Rangers repeated this mistake two years later in the second round when they took Karl Henriksson with John Farinacci still on the board. Farinacci projected as an excellent, two-way second line center and they went with Henriksson -- bigger, but slower, less skilled, less competitive and a lower hockey IQ. It made little sense, considering Farinacci is also local -- a New Jersey product, but I do think that the Rangers are occasionally guilty of trying to make all their regional scouts happy rather than taking the best available player, especially at forward.

I love it that Rangers draft-day blunders are so legion that you can reference two before getting anywhere near Pavel Brendl or Dylan McIlrath.

 

[JimEIV]

I have to disagree with these comparables, since not only is Sharangovich nothing like these players stylistically, but he's also not even Russian.

Sharangovich lacks a singular "elite" tool, but he has several very good traits and no discernible weakness. He offers size and speed, good smarts and compete, a very good shot and decent vision, good two-way ability.

Then, we have to take into account his desirable versatility. As a rookie, he is already able to plug in on the PK or PP, and he's a kid who can play center or the wing. He's only going to get better.

Right now, I'll say we all slept on Sharangovich for too long. He just has too many NHL abilities to not make it, at least as a prominent bottom-6 contributor. Best case scenario, he develops into a middle-six Swiss-army-knife who enjoys a few seasons of 20-goal production.

I don't think the comparisons were a stylistic/player attribute type of measure...I think they were more of a career outcome comparison.

Instead of the names chosen it could have been "all purpose middle 6 forward" or "out of hockey in 3 years."

That's how I interpreted it anyway

 

[JimEIV]

I stand corrected.

I guess *I* just didn't think he was going to be anything other than a 4th line grinder. Wasn't paying enough attention, I guess.

I think the majority of the people wrote him off...first he was drafted as an over ager, then he stayed in college for 4 years.

There was a lot of talk about him coming out of college in his junior year...he was having a phenomenal year but broke his leg half way through. Before he broke his leg in his junior year he had 19 goals in 27 games. I have been a fan since we drafted him out of the USHl.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Coleman and Pietila were the competition of the Blakes for a brief period in Albany.

 

[JimEIV]

Coleman and Pietila were the competition of the Blakes for a brief period in Albany.

I think everyone knew that there wasn't the offensive potential with Pietila though

 

[The Devil In I]

It's funny to play "I told ya so", but I can't stop thinking about that 2017 draft where I took some heat for saying the Rangers pick of Lias Andersson at #7 overall was going to go down as their biggest draft-day blunder since Hugh Jessiman.

It's not just that I did not have Andersson ranked as a first-round pick -- he lacked both scoring skills and compete level, a brutal combination for a kid taken in the top 10. But it was also that the Rangers needed a center to build around and the Rangers passed on some very good ones -- Gabe Vilardi and Nick Suzuki and (I know he busted too but he would have been a better pick) Casey Mittlestadt to take a kid who did not display the skills of anything beyond a bottom six LW.

I was at that draft because it was in Chicago and I remember finding that pick really odd. Not because I had scouted the top 10-15 all that much that year because we were drafting #1, so I was pretty oblivious to him not being a great pick for scouting reasons. But the draft was set up with a backroom off to the side of the stage with something like 10-12 players who were expected to go the earliest. And it had a slot in the wall for players to grab the hat of the team that drafted them as they went out to the stage. I could see all this clearly from the upper deck where I was sitting. Andersson was the first player taken that year that didn't come out of that back room.

 

[The Wumpus]

I love it that Rangers draft-day blunders are so legion that you can reference two before getting anywhere near Pavel Brendl or Dylan McIlrath.

I say this every time McIlrath is mentioned: If anyone can find the Rangers draft day thread for that year it is solid gold. With each pick the hype grow and grows until they are popping champagne at getting either Tarasenko or Fowler and can't believe how perfect the draft has gone and then... [sound of a garbage truck dropped from the Empire State Building].

10/10 would read again and again.

 

[Goptor]

I say this every time McIlrath is mentioned: If anyone can find the Rangers draft day thread for that year it is solid gold. With each pick the hype grow and grows until they are popping champagne at getting either Tarasenko or Fowler and can't believe how perfect the draft has gone and then... [sound of a garbage truck dropped from the Empire State Building].

10/10 would read again and again.

Thats how I felt in 2015 when Provorov was available. Its not as bad as this pick though. McIlrath was a dead pick from day 1. Not only did they pick an enforcer at 10th overall, they picked him when enforcers were already getting pushed out of the league.

 

[Devilsfan992]

It's funny how little credit the mainstream hockey media seems to give young Devils players. I'm far from an expert on goaltending, but as a long-time hockey writer it's tough to see how Blackwood is not as talented as far-more-hyped division goaltenders Hart, Shesterkin, Samsonov and Sorokin. Blackwood could certainly wind up being the best goalie in the division for a very long time.

As far as I recall from a blog post on AATJ , he leads the league in Save Percentage since his last 40 games played or so. He's elite.

 

[billingtons ghost]

I say this every time McIlrath is mentioned: If anyone can find the Rangers draft day thread for that year it is solid gold. With each pick the hype grow and grows until they are popping champagne at getting either Tarasenko or Fowler and can't believe how perfect the draft has gone and then... [sound of a garbage truck dropped from the Empire State Building].

10/10 would read again and again.

Couldn't get back to 2010 in the HFboards search... but for all of you whom's appetites were wetted for salty Ranger fan tears by Wumpus's mention... here's Blue Shirt Banter's real-time thread from that day.... Just go to the middle. The fun begins early, but you can cut to the chase scene at 8:33pm.

Wonderful. They were going to be disappointed if they picked Tarasenko over Fowler.

2010 NHL Draft: Open Thread

 

[The Wumpus]

Couldn't get back to 2010 in the HFboards search... but for all of you whom's appetites were wetted for salty Ranger fan tears by Wumpus's mention... here's Blue Shirt Banter's real-time thread from that day.... Just go to the middle. The fun begins early, but you can cut to the chase scene at 8:33pm.

Wonderful. They were going to be disappointed if they picked Tarasenko over Fowler.

2010 NHL Draft: Open Thread

This one's pretty good too. It's like a brick wall of sadness at 8:33.

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Couldn't get back to 2010 in the HFboards search... but for all of you whom's appetites were wetted for salty Ranger fan tears by Wumpus's mention... here's Blue Shirt Banter's real-time thread from that day.... Just go to the middle. The fun begins early, but you can cut to the chase scene at 8:33pm.

Wonderful. They were going to be disappointed if they picked Tarasenko over Fowler.

2010 NHL Draft: Open Thread

Ah this was a good read

 

[Guttersniped]

Coleman didn't come out of nowhere though...He had a very solid NCAA career won a National Championship while playing like Claude Lemiuex circa 1995 - Look up that game where he scored like 4 points including the game winner and got ejected in the NCAA finals...I could be off on the details I am going from
memory.

He came to Albany and looked strong from the 4th line was promoted almost immediately and blew out his shoulder the day before Thanksgiving after scoring 2 goals and being the 1st star of the game after only 14 games...That forced him to miss the entire year with Shoulder surgery. I contend he would've been a Devil by December/January 2015-16 had he not hurt his shoulder -

After missing his whole first AHL year it was inevitable he was going to start in the AHL of the 2016-17. He was called up in January 2017 and never looked back.

It wasn’t a NCAA D1 National Championship. I don’t follow college hockey that much but I was pretty sure Miami University (Ohio) didn’t win one.

They won the National Collegiate Hockey Conference tournament (NCHC) in 2015. And while there is no 4 point game, Coleman did score all three goals in the 3-2 final game to win the tournament. Coleman was the tourney’s MVP and also beat Will Butcher, who playing for Denver, in the semi-finals.

2015 NCHC Tournament - Wikipedia

 

[Guttersniped]

This one's pretty good too. It's like a brick wall of sadness at 8:33.

Someone said this after people were grumbling about NYI drafting Nino:

Guys don’t worry. The islanders cant hang on to a first round pick for shit. Remember Chara? They’ll probbably trade him for some random scrub

I mean, they weren’t wrong. Nino was traded for Clutterbuck in 2013 off-season.