He left a clean slate player-wise AND prospect-wise. Normally someone stepping in where Shero would be stepping in would have a decent prospect base or at least some decent young players. There were a couple, but not really. Worst asset base in the league and it showed.
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He left a clean slate player-wise AND prospect-wise. Normally someone stepping in where Shero would be stepping in would have a decent prospect base or at least some decent young players. There were a couple, but not really. Worst asset base in the league and it showed.
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The team is already Buff/OTT. This is a decade of futility now and going in the wrong direction seemingly every year. We have to hope the next administration can turn this around.
Our Defense right now, looking into the future is Severson. That's it. Subban isn't part of any sort of solution. We really don't know what to expect from Ty...I think every single person myself included had him pencilled in the lineup before this season started especially after his performance the year before...but his camp and pre season was scary bad...so I wouldn't put high expectations on him for this year...but it's always a process with Dmen and I think Bahl is further behind in that process than Smith is...but sometimes, especially early on you can get more out of a guy like Bahl than Smith because you can have Bahl play a simple defensive game and potentially be effective. Still I expect Bahl to spend a majority of next season in Albany.
I think we are pretty much at ground zero. It's good we have a lot of picks because we need a lot. What is in the system right now won't make this team good in 3 years.
I think our two #1 overalls are an incredible, almost unbelievable disappointment. We'll see where Hughes goes from here but Nico just isn't an impact player...you can talk about intangibles and preach the virtues of 2 way play until the cows come home...none of it negates the fact that Nico is not an impact player. This is not a player who'll ever be in top 10 of NHL scoring, probably not the top 20 or 30 either...it just is what it is.
There is next to nothing in Albany ready for the NHL
Anderson looks good. I do have hopes for him. I think he can produce at the NHL level and be a good middle 6 type forward. If that is going to happen, it'll be sooner than later.
Boqvist didn't belong in the league this year. He was severely out of place...so we'll have to wait and see what his progression looks like.
I think we don't have much of anything to be honest with you. If we can hit on a couple of first rounders this year that would go a long way.
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^^^ "I think we don't have much of anything to be honest with you."
LMAO. So predictable.
^^^ "I think we don't have much of anything to be honest with you."
Ya know... we keep joking that @Quest for Stanley is actually Seney in disguise, but have any of us considered that @glenwo2 might actually be Bratt posting on here???
Ya know... we keep joking that @Quest for Stanley is actually Seney in disguise, but have any of us considered that @glenwo2 might actually be Bratt posting on here???
Bratt is too nice to Tweet mean things at people like Kinkaid and Abbey.
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Ya know... we keep joking that @Quest for Stanley is actually Seney in disguise, but have any of us considered that @glenwo2 might actually be Bratt posting on here???
Bratt is too nice to Tweet mean things at people like Kinkaid and Abbey.
BrattsBurnerAccount is the next great HFBoards name
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Spot on... a decade of futility, because Lou Lamoriello put us there. Shero basically had to pick up the carcass Lou left him and try to turn a depleted franchise into something solid overnight, because 5 years when you’re starting from scratch isn’t enough time to do anything.
Our defence is complete garbage and why is that? Can it be that we neglected to pick a single dman in the 1st round, outside of Ty Smith, since 2011 and that player was traded away in a robbery of a deal, so that leaves us with Corrente in 2006, Foster in 2001 and Hale in 2000. That’s two f***ing decades of subpar, mediocre drafting when actually trying to draft a dman in the 1st round... and you’re blaming all this on Shero? If you’re expecting wonders from two kids who got drafted in 2018, in Smith and Bahl, then you’re setting yourself up for disappointment. Instead of complaining about how they won’t be of any use to our current roster this year and possibly next year, you should try and identify who in that draft year has been helping their current team at the NHL level and are Smith and Bahl on the right or wrong trajectory. Let me help you with that...Of all the dmen that got drafted after the 17th overall pick, there’s only 3 players that cracked the league and played a whopping 35 games, combined, in Sandin (28), Beaudin (1) and Fehervary (6). We are starting from scratch here, not because Shero sucks, but because like you said we were at ground zero when he took over and this process won’t happen overnight.
Moving on to the next subject. Nico Hischier is going to turn out to be an absolutely great player. Will he ever win the scoring title, I don’t see it happening but I see him being our Patrice Bergeron instead of our Austin Matthews. He’s been on a garbage roster since he step foot in the league and we want to throw rocks his way because he’s not on a PPG pace? Bring in Pettersson on our roster and I’d garantie you he wouldn’t be posting the stats he is in Vancouver and if he was in NJ, he wouldn’t be half the player Nico is away from the puck. When you’re defensively responsible, like Nico is, you’ll sacrifice offense for defence because that’s just how your brain is programmed. He’ll be further down low, helping out his mediocre dmen instead of looking to go on the offense right away, because his dmen will retrieve the puck without his help. Anyways, if you don’t see the type of player we have in Nico Hischier, that’s just too bad because he’s exactly the type of player Lou would’ve loved, meaning you would love... a team first player with a ton of talent that will do everything for the crest and not for the name on the back of the jersey.
As for Jack, he just turned 19 two weeks ago and is the 1st ever player to make the jump from the NTDP to the NHL, so let’s take a deep breath here and relax... that’s about all that needs to be said for Jack Hughes.
And for your last point, again, we have nothing on the farm team because we had nothing to look forward to. Shero restocked the shelves with breadcrumbs and most of his picks are still playing junior hockey. He made some moves to add to that as well but expecting a full 180 from our AHL or NHL team with what he had to work with was unreasonable and dishonest.
With possibly 3 picks in the 1st round, which could include 2 in the top #10, and the pieces we already have... I see a very bright future for this organization.
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If you cannot see the difference between the organization Shero inherited and today, I genuinely don't know what to say.
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glenwo2
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Ya know... we keep joking that @Quest for Stanley is actually Seney in disguise, but have any of us considered that @glenwo2 might actually be Bratt posting on here???
You never know.
But then again (for argument's sake), Bratt was 10 years old when I joined HFBoards (2008).
Damn, I'm an old fart.
Bratt is too nice to Tweet mean things at people like Kinkaid and Abbey.
Abbey deserved every bit of criticism I threw at her. I won't apologize for that.
The Devils organization is better off without her "reporting".
Kinkaid? Dude. I was the catalyst for him turning on his Cheat Codes and making his stats 90+ for half a season.
What I did was a kindness which ultimately ended up ensuring Kinkaid still got a job somewhere.
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glenwo2
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This is pretty much my feeling on almost all the trades Ray did, acquiring Palmieri probably being the only exception. Though if he doesn't re-sign you could make the argument with that one as well.
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Yeah, Shero should've done nothing and not try to make the team better. That way we could be the worst team bar none. Who knows, maybe Cammalleri, Bernier, Gomez, Ryder, Gelinas, Josefson, Gionta et al would still be Devils! The glory days.
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we'll never have good goaltending after Marty
we'll never have good defense after the Scotts
we'll never have good offense after the "A" Line
we'll never have a good team again after Lou
Luckily there's expansion coming and we can find a new team to root for
we'll never have good defense after the Scotts
we'll never have good offense after the "A" Line
we'll never have a good team again after Lou
Luckily there's expansion coming and we can find a new team to root for
Zippy316
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Asset-wise, we're in a completely different place then we were 5 years ago.
The biggest gripe I can have with Shero is not addressing the defense. Forward-wise and goaltending I have no complaints. It's not like he hasn't tried with the assets he had (Moore, Vatanen, Mueller, Subban, Butcher). He tried to address it without mortgaging the future as we didn't have the assets to spare to go after any of the bigger names who were dealt for packages.
However, he did lay some groundwork with getting Bahl back for Hall as well as Arizona's first. He was starting to seemingly set up a pick base and prospect base to deal from, so we'll see if Fitzgerald can use some of that.
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biggest gripe is hiring hynes and sticking with hynes. getting to the playoffs was good but he did not deserve another shot after last season honestly. and he held onto him way too long. i don't think the roster is the problem, we have and other teams have gotten more from less but they never had a system or a coach that could get the best out of everyone or have the team look like they were ont he same page
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Shero’s biggest mistake last year was having faith in Schneider.
That and Subban having such a poor season and scoring at a sub-Adam Larsson pace were the biggest nukes in our season. Shero probably paid for that and maybe even the Hall saga and not being able to keep him. I’m sure the extended faith in Hynes did him no favors.
The Subban slump was not something to be foreseen, but the Schneider blow up had been evident for 3 years before this one.
That and Subban having such a poor season and scoring at a sub-Adam Larsson pace were the biggest nukes in our season. Shero probably paid for that and maybe even the Hall saga and not being able to keep him. I’m sure the extended faith in Hynes did him no favors.
The Subban slump was not something to be foreseen, but the Schneider blow up had been evident for 3 years before this one.
There were some warning signs with Subban if you look at his last season with Nashville, but not enough to think his production would nosedive as badly as it did with us. I'm not ready to write him off completely yet though. He was asked to do a lot on a weak defense corps on a team that was a complete disaster for the first ~30 games.
Yeah, I mean I think everyone knew we weren’t getting a Norris caliber Subban, but I didn’t think it was unreasonable to expect a bonafide top 4 guy that could still work it on the PP and get around 40 points. What we saw was honestly the worst possible scenario.
Hopefully this dreadfully long offseason, (hopefully) new coach, and all other desperately needed changes of pace will give everyone, including Subban, a fresh start.
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Subban wasn't a disaster. He had a little bit of a down year but was still a capable top-4 defender. His scoring was down but our top scorer had like 50 points so I don't know that you can necessarily blame him for that.
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Just wait until Schneider goes 8 games over .500 next year with a sub 2.75 GAA and a .918 save percentage.
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