Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) - part Xlll

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  1. Hischier and Hughes

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    and as it relates to Greene - no way we move him

    Guy has earned every right to be at worstour 7th dman - hes a Devil lifer and current captain with one year left and we are nowhere near contending so cap space isnt an issue. I think those asking to move him, unless the return is too hard to pass on, are being unrealistic and a bit out of line
     
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    If Greene was a pure rental I could see somebody being interested, but I think being signed through 2019-20 at 5 million against the cap is going to limit any potential return.
     
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    The Devils can eat half that
     
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    glenwo2 BRATT IS BETTER THAN STAFFORD!!!

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    Greene will most certainly be gone after next season so the fact that he’s the captain of this terrible team doesn’t mean anything to me.
     
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    TheUnseenHand Seraphina has had enough

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    I watch the flyers quite often. I catch about 70% of their games every season. They are, and have been for several years, much more talented than us. Maybe some overrate a bit just how talented they are, but they are much more talented than us. They just mope around as soon as things go bad. I've been saying for years that, as skilled as he is, Giroux is not the guy you hitch your wagon too. It's too easy to get him off his game.
     
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    vtdevils2k "Lets Go Baby!"

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    You seriously try too hard to defend kinkaid which is why people think you’re related to him. He’s not good. Move forward.
     
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    Sure, but I don't think they will. I think Greene is here for the duration of his contract, unless we're sellers again next year, and if we are we're probably in deep **** anyway.
     
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    Oh, I don’t think they’ll deal him. If he is on the table at some point, I hope they consider it to increase the return.
     
  10. Bleedred

    Bleedred Make a frickin save

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    Greene hasn't been THAT bad this year, but I'm not setting the bar too high. I don't think he's been quite as bad as last year, but I do expect him to once again look pretty toasted by March like he was last year. But if he maintains this level from this year and is used much more sparingly, I think he may manage to look a little better than he did to end last year. He looked burnt out by about December or New Year's of last season, and he looked about ready to keel over by about March with all the minutes he plays.

    One of the biggest problems with this defense is that Andy Greene plays 21 minutes a night still. If we can't find someone to play those minutes next year and he's still getting 20 minutes, that's definitely a strike on Shero. Who already made a comment saying ''Why wouldn't Butcher sign here? We stink'' in regards to the state of the defense in what will be two years prior to the start of next season. Greene playing Lovejoy's current minutes wouldn't really be worth complaining about, unless he falls off even more next year and totally bottoms out.
     
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    You're right that Blackwood will regress from that with more games played, because every goalie will. Nobody maintains that through a significant stretch of games.

    Like I said before last game, for Kinkaid to finish with a .907% save percentage to end the season, he'd need to play 20 more games and average a .920% over that stretch while averaging 30 shots faced per game.

    He's already one game down with a .929% for that game and 42 shots faced.

    30 games (now 29) of .930% goaltending the rest of the way while averaging 30 shots per game gets him to a .911% on the season. With 39 games remaining, I doubt he plays 29 more games though. I don't think he has enough racetrack left this year to turn it around that much. He'd have to do even better than a .920% (even better than .930%) over 19 more games to end the season to reach .911% or so.
     
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    NJDevs26 We suck again!

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    There's probably a non-zero chance they buy out Greene this offseason, but it wouldn't be much above zero. Unless they do some stuff in the offseason they don't have three LD in the organization better than him (at most you could argue Ty Smith - who hasn't played a game - and Butcher) and it's not like they need the cap space.

    Either way I don't see him getting traded with a year left though. Especially since he was underrated around the league when he was actually good - exhibit A always getting stiffed for USA appearances.
     
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    There's a 0% chance they buyout Greene unless he refuses to waive his NTC, that's the only scenario in which it would make any sense at all and even then we'd probably rather eat the final year of his deal and move him at the deadline rather than pointlessly spread it across 2 years with a buyout.

    He's certainly a prime candidate to get traded with retention at some point either this deadline or next (or potentially in the off-season too I suppose). He's still a serviceable defender he's just being asked to do way too much here, there would be no shortage of suitors for him at 50% retained for next season, especially with how bleak the UFA defence crop looks sans for EK. Makes far more sense than a buyout as not only would we get something in return, but 2.5m of dead cap next year is definitely preferable to 1.67m for the next two (the second of which would be the season potential Hall/Hischier extensions kick in and our cap might be significantly tighter).

    If he outright refuses to waive at any point? Sucks but that's his right as a veteran with a NTC, i'd still rather eat the final year and play him in a significantly reduced role than buy him out.
     
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    There's no need to buy out Greene after this season. Just ride out the last year with him and use him like Lovejoy. If we're still playing him over 20 minutes next year, it means Shero had a BAD offseason. It seems they may be trying to wean him off of some of these minutes, as Butcher has been getting much more recently. Use the buyout on Cory if you can't LTIR him and that's that. He's not so much a detriment to the team (he shouldn't be in limited minutes, but who knows what next year can bring when he's 37?) that we can't just ride out the last $5 million and year of his deal.
     
  15. BenedictGomez

    BenedictGomez Corsi is GROSSLY overrated

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    I dont understand why all these posters believe Greene would WANT to stay here.

    His career is over, his only chance at a cup is to be traded, and we'd probably get a minimum of a 2nd for him, probably more like a 2nd and a 3rd or two 2nds. As long as Greene is on board and waives his NTC, he's GONE in about a month is my prediction. You heard it here first.
     
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    Speaking of goaltending, looks like DeSmith just signed an extension in Pittsburgh, so that's one less option for next year.

    Shero needs to stay away from Tristan Jarry, who he drafted back in 2013. DeSmith being extended and Murray being their guy, seems to signal that Jarry might be available, but he's really been nothing impressive in 29 NHL appearances. I remember him receiving way too much hype by Pens fans. In fact, I think he was supposed to be the goalie of the future and not Murray. That's what it looked like before Murray broke through and won those cups.

    I'm not saying the guy can't be good, I'm just saying that we shouldn't be using a spot on him on trading assets to get him.
     
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    I doubt very much Greene cares about a Cup enough otherwise he would have asked for a trade years ago when he knew we were going to be very bad and he was much better
     
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    glenwo2 BRATT IS BETTER THAN STAFFORD!!!

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    Don't worry. Ray Shero is not Maccagnan of the Jets.

    He'll sign someone worth signing (aside from Hynes).
     
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    Emperoreddy Show me what you got

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    Curious who gets sent down with both Big Mac and Cory close to healthy.
     
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    Either none of them and we roll with 3 goalies on the roster for a while, or Cory for another conditioning stint, which he's eligible for.

    Unless you mean what skater on the roster goes down? Likely Rooney first, then Pietila.

    After the conditioning stint, we probably at least start out with the 3 of them. Big Mac probably stays up until and if he starts to struggle. Cory likely has a very short leash this time and his shortest leash yet if he starts to struggle. He'll either be sent back to Bingo and this time on waivers, or thrown onto the IR again, as long as Big Mac is still playing well.
     
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    Love joy is a key piece going forward. Ainec or whatever
     
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    Greene isn’t going anywhere.

    Hynes has no faith in Mueller or he would be playing him.
     
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    The same happened with Santini last year and now hes a lock on the roster

    I presume Mueller will be as well which is why i think people are out to lunch thinking were adding multiple defenseman. Infact, i wouldnt be surprised if we splash on a goaltender and keep the same defense plus Smith and Mueller back in
     
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    Will likely be Blackwood and while I disagree with it, hes the only move that doesnt lose a roster player to waivers
     
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    What player on waivers? One of the two goalies? Cory is waiver proof at this point. No one is picking up a greatly declining and chronically injured goalie with 3 years and $18 million left after this year off of waivers. Someone with goalie depth issues might pick up Kinkaid if he were on waivers.

    I am very confident that Blackwood isn’t getting sent back until and if he starts to struggle.They want a better look at him just like we all do. The other two may have as little of a future here as Drew Stafford does.
     
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