Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) - part VIII

[glenwo2]

I mostly agree...there's nobody on the staff that even deserves an interim tag, which is part of my problem with Hynes - his own lousy staff. But if there was someone better than Hynes who we could realistically hire (Quenneville's not it, Shero's not paying a coach more than he himself is making) I'd throw him overboard in five seconds.

Kruger was an interesting name brought up a while back but I don't know if A) he realistically would want to get back into hockey or B) how close the connection really is - maybe Shero knows him through international hockey, I doubt the owners would step in on a coach hire unless Shero prompted them.

It's a tough situation for Shero right now.


Oh btw :

"Anyone that believed Hynes was getting canned just wanted him to be fired FOR THE SAKE OF BEING fired."

I thought I had corrected that.

 

[NJDevs26]

i feel like if they wanted to utilize the cap space then their best bet is trading for pending UFA's and convincing them that Jersey isn't bad. Rarely to they sign a FA out of the blue. Lou was good at this.

Other than Kovalchuk (who honestly I don't think Lou felt he had a prayer of re-signing until VBK pulled out the extra credit cards) when did Lou do anything like this? He traded for rentals to win now but other than maybe role player guys like Steckel - lol - I don't think he really traded for guys hoping to re-sign them all that much.

I think that was actually part of the rationale for Shero trading for Grabner, at the time he had an eye on re-signing him but he worked out so badly that was never a discussion after.

 

[Billdo]

It's not true, but ok.

It is, but ok. He gets beat glove side a lot.

 

[Billdo]

this offseason is a good crop

Agreed and even though probably at least half won't make it to UFA there will still be a better group than last year.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

Did you expect anything different? The team has to play it's way out of this, and that's that. A different coach would do nothing.
You also didnt need to make it caps, I'm sure everyone here can read normal font.

You can't play out of this when the coach and their defensive system and pp are an issue. You can't win with a bad PP.

This staff seems lazy to me pushing all blame onto the players, who are just trying to play the garbage system this staff has place, and refuses to adjust.

 

[Cult of Hynes]

I mostly agree...there's nobody on the staff that even deserves an interim tag, which is part of my problem with Hynes - his own lousy staff. But if there was someone better than Hynes who we could realistically hire (Quenneville's not it, Shero's not paying a coach more than he himself is making) I'd throw him overboard in five seconds.

Kruger was an interesting name brought up a while back but I don't know if A) he realistically would want to get back into hockey or B) how close the connection really is - maybe Shero knows him through international hockey, I doubt the owners would step in on a coach hire unless Shero prompted them.

Kruger did coach Hall for a season / or half a season. He actually had that oilers team looking decent.

 

[MartyOwns]

It is, but ok. He gets beat glove side a lot.

 

[Ripshot 43]

Here I was thinking that this team just didn’t deserve a GDT with our play this season but I’ve been waiting for a game all day that is tomorrow night

A game that I still won’t get to watch nonetheless.

 

[Billdo]

Oops, you're right. He never gets beat glove side. My bad.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Hall should look in the mirror before he gets annoyed with Hynes.

Hes a PPG player...

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Hall loves Hynes, so I’m not sure what you’re getting at.

Hall doesnt love Hynes more than he loves winning

Id bet my life on it

 

[Devils Dominion]

Get Santini in

 

[MadDevil]

Hes a PPG player...

Who played like garbage his last game and got rightfully benched, and has had multiple other poor showings this season. The only players who have any right to be annoyed with Hynes based on their play are Bratt and Coleman, who are both probably being underused. Everybody else should take a long hard look in the mirror.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Who played like garbage his last game and got rightfully benched, and has had multiple other poor showings this season. The only players who have any right to be annoyed with Hynes based on their play are Bratt and Coleman, who are both probably being underused. Everybody else should take a long hard look in the mirror.

Any player can be mad at a coach when he struggles at his job moreso than they do theirs

What do you expect players to do with no structure but arent allowed to just do whatever? So no system to guide them but they cant improvise themselves. Combination for failure

 

[Triumph]

Any player can be mad at a coach when he struggles at his job moreso than they do theirs

What do you expect players to do with no structure but arent allowed to just do whatever? So no system to guide them but they cant improvise themselves. Combination for failure

Yes, that's what got Hall benched - he wasn't doing what the coach was telling him, which is apparently to 'just go out there and do whatever' and also 'not what the coach wanted'. It wasn't that he was making horrible decisions with the puck and being careless.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Yes, that's what got Hall benched - he wasn't doing what the coach was telling him, which is apparently to 'just go out there and do whatever' and also 'not what the coach wanted'. It wasn't that he was making horrible decisions with the puck and being careless.

Damn, you literally didnt read my post correctly

Keep thinking Hall is a problem and not Hynes, ill stick within reality

 

[Triumph]

Damn, you literally didnt read my post correctly

Keep thinking Hall is a problem and not Hynes, ill stick within reality

Hall isn't a problem. He was on Monday night, though. He was playing atrociously.

Long-term, this is nothing. In the same way that scratching certain players for a game or two is nothing, but is treated on here like the end of the world.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Hall isn't a problem. He was on Monday night, though. He was playing atrociously.

Long-term, this is nothing. In the same way that scratching certain players for a game or two is nothing, but is treated on here like the end of the world.

i could care less if Hall was benched

Hynes is NOT an NHL level head coach and peoples reasoning for not firing him is because there is no replacement?? Are you kidding me id rather let the players coach themselves then let Hynes ruin our team any further

 

[EnglishDevil]

If the road trip is more of the same Hynes should come back to a pink slip. I'm going to be very disappointed if Shero doesn't act soon (assuming we don't turn it around, which I find to be supremely unlikely), he needs to learn from the mistakes he made with Byslma in Pittsburgh.

Even at his best, Hynes isn't a particularly good coach (none of the coaching staff are). He was not the reason we made the playoffs last year.

 

[Azathoth]

It’s weird that hall is at 27 pts in 26 games and yet I don’t think he been playing all that well lately, at least by last year’s standards (maybe that’s not a fair standard to judge him by).

 

[SpeakingOfTheDevils]

Damn, you literally didnt read my post correctly

Keep thinking Hall is a problem and not Hynes, ill stick within reality

The “reading” mockery again?

Perhaps your ability to articulate is what is deficient, and not everyone else’s reading skills.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

The “reading” mockery again?

Perhaps your ability to articulate is what is deficient, and not everyone else’s reading skills.

"What do you expect players to do with no structure but ARENT allowed to just do whatever? So no system to guide them but they cant improvise themselves"

was interpreted into this

"Yes, that's what got Hall benched - he wasn't doing what the coach was telling him, which is apparently to 'just go out there and do whatever' and also 'not what the coach wanted'."

Nope. Its a reading problem.

 

[Oneiro]

I'm not a very trigger happy fan and I also think last year's playoff run was a nice bonus in a process that will naturally be slower than the expectations of any fan who tastes success. I admire Shero for being reluctant to pretty much do anything since he's been GM.

That being said, I'm not sure I've read a single defense of Hynes that amounts to anything more than, "We made the playoffs so he has a longer leash, and the law of averages suggests that the team should start playing better (winning) soon. It's still early and the Metro is a mess."

Making the playoffs every year is laudable, but it's not the goal. The goal is to win the cup. The question is whether, long-term, someone thinks the methods employed by this coach help get you to that goal.

 

[My3Sons]

It is, but ok. He gets beat glove side a lot.

Chico talked about it being a technical issue ina broadcast I listened to. He described how he could determine if KK’s glove was up to snuff by placement and how he held it up. It was interesting. Also made it sound like something that was subject to some coaching as opposed to a physical failing.

 

[Triumph]

"What do you expect players to do with no structure but ARENT allowed to just do whatever? So no system to guide them but they cant improvise themselves"

was interpreted into this

"Yes, that's what got Hall benched - he wasn't doing what the coach was telling him, which is apparently to 'just go out there and do whatever' and also 'not what the coach wanted'."

Nope. Its a reading problem.

Your post is a contradiction. The Devils cannot, by definition, have no structure but are not allowed to do whatever. There must be some sort of structure, otherwise they would be allowed to 'do whatever'. That's why I responded as I did. You projecting your feelings about the coach on to Taylor Hall is rich, however.