Devils 2018-19 team discussion (news and notes) part IV

[My3Sons]

I think its very simple how this team goes forward. If youre signing Hall, you plan on contending by next season or 2020. Otherwise if youre not - why are you signing him? Why would you want a guy who will be 30+ by the time you start competing when you could have gotten some high end youth for him?

Am I suggesting trading Hall? No but if management is as hardset on keeping all our picks and developing prospects like some think we should be. Those who are content with missing the playoffs this year I think are those wanting the rebuild to continue - and to them I say why dont you move Hall?

Two years is an eternity in pro sports and Hall is a great player and barring injury he probably stays great for three or four years and then very good for another one or two after that. Even if the team needs two more years to add better players to the second line Hall has plenty of time to reap the benefits of that. There’s a difference between being realistic and advocating tanking or trading the team’s best player because the team looks pretty iffy right now. If Hall doesn’t sign in July/August of 2019 you cross that bridge but I think he takes the 10.5 to 11 mil for 8 years and the concern moves back to why NJ picked Zacha in the 2015 draft.

 

[JimEIV]

^ This guy's Seney posts crack me up. I love the excitement though.

Back to Back nights with Baghdad Bob? Retro Meme Excellence.

 

[Jack Be Quick]

Team is 5-4-1 with a boat load of injuries less than a month in.

Talk of trading or a diminishing incumbent hart trophy WINNER.

There's not enough benzos at pfizer's corporate headquarters to chill some people out.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

We don't have the talent or defense to be a contender at this point. We've got arguably the worst defensive core in the league - we desperately need a top pairing shut down defenseman.

I would absolutely trade Hall for a solid young defenseman. We're not going anywhere without improving our D. Hall was tremendous last season - but even in a career year with great puck luck and major, unexpected contributions from rookies, we still barely made the playoffs and got blown out by Tampa without them breaking a sweat.

It's unlikely Hall ever replicates last year, and at the amount he's going to command I think we'd be better off getting something for him now - a piece we can build around. I wonder what you could get if you packaged in Schneider.

Maybe trade Zacha as a reclamation project? If Lazar could get a 2nd certainly he should be able to.

Ok flame away.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I would absolutely trade Hall for a solid young defenseman.

It's unlikely Hall ever replicates last year, and at the amount he's going to command I think we'd be better off getting something for him now - a piece we can build around.

Taylor Hall 2017 = 93 Points
Taylor Hall 2018 = 107 Point pace

Next.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Taylor Hall 2017 = 93 Points
Taylor Hall 2018 = 107 Point pace

Next.

You realize we're 10 games in, right? He's on pace 73 pp assists too.

Palmieri is on pace for 115 points.

 

[JimEIV]

We don't have the talent or defense to be a contender at this point. We've got arguably the worst defensive core in the league - we desperately need a top pairing shut down defenseman.

I would absolutely trade Hall for a solid young defenseman. We're not going anywhere without improving our D. Hall was tremendous last season - but even in a career year with great puck luck and major, unexpected contributions from rookies, we still barely made the playoffs and got blown out by Tampa without them breaking a sweat.

It's unlikely Hall ever replicates last year, and at the amount he's going to command I think we'd be better off getting something for him now - a piece we can build around. I wonder what you could get if you packaged in Schneider.

Maybe trade Zacha as a reclamation project? If Lazar could get a 2nd certainly he should be able to.

Ok flame away.

I have seen it mentioned a bunch of times... regarding "Hall's career year"

I honestly don't understand what people's point in that is...so he never produces as high as last year again....so what? He's still going to be a very good player for a while...Elias would never again come near his 96 points from 2001 and yet he won another Stanley Cup and was an effect player for another decade. Edit: Decade plus

 

[Jack Be Quick]

You realize we're 10 games in, right? He's on pace 73 pp assists too.

Palmieri is on pace for 115 points.

I've always wondered which parade route the Devils brass would choose.

Are we talking about an army marching straight down Market? A more subtle beginning on Lafayette? Or a grand show throughout the town via Raymond and/or Ferry?

 

[BenedictGomez]

You realize we're 10 games in, right? He's on pace 73 pp assists too.

Ten games isnt 2 games.

It's a very odd thing to say, "It's unlikely Hall ever replicates last year" when after 12% of the season so far, he's already exceeding last year.

 

[MadDevil]

There is joke in there somewhere.

Save the Dea jokes for the GDT.

 

[Bleedred]

We don't have the talent or defense to be a contender at this point. We've got arguably the worst defensive core in the league - we desperately need a top pairing shut down defenseman.

I would absolutely trade Hall for a solid young defenseman. We're not going anywhere without improving our D. Hall was tremendous last season - but even in a career year with great puck luck and major, unexpected contributions from rookies, we still barely made the playoffs and got blown out by Tampa without them breaking a sweat.

It's unlikely Hall ever replicates last year, and at the amount he's going to command I think we'd be better off getting something for him now - a piece we can build around. I wonder what you could get if you packaged in Schneider.

Maybe trade Zacha as a reclamation project? If Lazar could get a 2nd certainly he should be able to.

Ok flame away.

Wow, what an AWFUL post and I don't say this often.

The defense has been fine this year.

We can't get shit for Schneider. If the last two years are any indication, he's shot, toast. The only thing you're getting for Schneider is another bad goaltender that's signed for multiple years, one for one. Think Jake Allen. What teams wants Schneider? Can you really say there's more than maybe 7 teams that don't have a goalie better than him?

And if all we're getting is a 2nd for Zacha, let's just keep him.

 

[Cage Helmet]

Wow, what an AWFUL post and I don't say this awful.

The defense has been fine this year.

We can't get **** for Schneider. If the last two years are any indication, he's shot, toast. The only thing you're getting for Schneider is another bad goaltender that's signed for multiple years, one for one. Think Jake Allen. What teams wants Schneider? Can you really say there's more maybe 7 teams that don't have a goalie better than him?

And if all we're getting is a 2nd for Zacha, let's just keep him.

I take it you haven’t read the main board all that much? Or else you would have noticed what the cat just dragged in. You’re wasting your time with this, dude.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Ten games isnt 2 games.

It's a very odd thing to say, "It's unlikely Hall ever replicates last year" when after 12% of the season so far, he's already exceeding last year.

10 games is absolutely meaningless lol. Unless you think palmieri is going to break 100 points...

 

[Tundra]

You can trade Hall, but you better get two bonafide pieces in return at minimum. Schneider is practically worthless due to the lower body injuries.

 

[Emperoreddy]

I definitely watched him last year...

I saw a kid with some talent who shined while he had the energy to do so. I also saw someone who then struggled to produce much of anything for 3/4 of the season.

Im all hopeful for Bratt to become great but Im not going to pencil him in for 40+ like its a given, especially when he was on the first line and now will be on the second (granted this could change)

You missed a kid with a ton of skill who gassed out like many rookies do.

 

[Devils Dominion]

You can trade Hall, but you better get two bonafide pieces in return at minimum. Schneider is practically worthless due to the lower body injuries.

In hindsight, the Cory trade didn't work out.

He's damaged goods now.

And no, you don't deal Hall unless he tells Ray he's walking.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm gonna say this as nice as possible, but your plan, it kind of sucks. And that's as nice as I can say it.

And I'm pretty sure that others here are going to agree that it's not good.

 

[BenedictGomez]

10 games is absolutely meaningless lol.

Your logic is very flawed both mathematically as well as rationally.

 

[BenedictGomez]

I'm gonna say this as nice as possible, but your plan, it kind of sucks. And that's as nice as I can say it.

And I'm pretty sure that others here are going to agree that it's not good.

That is as nice as possible.

Trading the NHL MVP for a "young" defenseman is a howler!

Trading Schneider's a beauty too, good luck with all that! The Zacha for a 2nd is just the finishing touch on that masterpiece.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

You missed a kid with a ton of skill who gassed out like many rookies do.

Look I dont want to make it look like I dont see Bratt as a future top-6 player. But as a safety net for our team as it is at 19 - not exactly the biggest confidence booster.

The second line may need more if Johansson cant figure it out AND Zajac is a perfect 3C not 2C, so thats two holes while Bratt fills one other!

I stated Bratt doesn't 'move the needle' as much as some think and even if he is a 50pt RW he does not save the entire line unless two other guys step up
My point was Bratt doesn't save the 2nd line and its false hope to folks thinking his return will take this team back to the good times.

and I dont think that should imply I think he's bad or that I haven't watched him (which is absurd!)

 

[Cult of Hynes]

Man, going through Conte's picks, holy shit was he truly horrible as the head of scouting.



Got this from reddit.

Look at how bad this team was at drafting before Shero and Castron took over.

And look at some of the players that this team missed on.

People can be pissed at the Zacha pick and missing out on Rantanen, Barzal, Provorov, Werenski, but we coudl have had some damn good pieces in place.

We could've had other players like Dougie Hamilton, Tyler Toffoli and Dimitry Orlov, which would make the Zacha pick, that so far is not working out, a bit easier to chew.

Year	Round	Pick #	Drafted	NHL Stats	BPA (NA)	NHL Stats	BPA (EU)	NHL Stats	Conte's Choice Better?
2005	1st	23rd	Nicklas Bergfors	173 GP, 35G-48A--83P	Ryan Stoa	40 GP, 4G-3A--7P	Jakub Vojta	0 GP	Yes
2005	2nd	38th	Jeff Frazee	1 GP, 1.000, 0.00	Pier-Olivier Pelletier	0 GP	Tuukka Rask	455 GP, .922, 2.27	No
2006	1st	30th	Matt Corrente	34 GP, 0G-6A--6P	Cory Emmerton	139 GP, 12G-9A--21P	Yuri Alexandrov	0 GP	No
2006	2nd	58th	Alexander Vasyunov	18 GP, 1G-4A--5P	Ben Shutron	0 GP	Alexander Vasyunov	N/A	Yes
2007	2nd	57th	Mike Hoeffel	0 GP	Mike Hoeffel	0 GP	Maxim Mayorov	22 GP, 2G-1A--3P	No
2008	1st	24th	Mattias Tedenby	120 GP, 10G-20A--30P	Colby Robak	47GP, 0G-4A--4P	Kirill Petrov	0 GP	Yes
2008	2nd	52nd	Brandon Burlon	0 GP	Mikhail Stefanovich	0 GP	Evgeny Grachev	34 GP, 1G-3A--4P	No
2008	2nd	54th	Patrice Cormier	52 GP, 1G-4A--5P	AJ Jenks	0 GP	Dmitri Kugryshev	0 GP	Yes
2009	1st	20th	Jacob Josefson	315 GP, 20G-44A--64P	Jordan Schroeder	165 GP, 18G-24A--42P	Jacob Josefson	N/A	Yes
2009	2nd	54th	Eric Gelinas	189 GP, 14G-41A--55P	Ryan Button	0 GP	Dmitry Orlov	376 GP, 30G-96A--126P	No
2010	2nd	38th	Jon Merrill	262 GP, 7G-33A--40P	Tyler Toffoli	387 GP, 111G-118A--229P	Calle Jarnkrok	329 GP, 59G-69A--128P	No
2011	1st	4th	Adam Larsson	428 GP, 17G-87A--104P	Dougie Hamilton	435 GP, 66G-159A--225P	Adam Larsson	N/A	No
2012	1st	29th	Stefan Matteau	64 GP, 3G-4A--7P	Colton Sissons	203 GP, 23G-27A--50P	Sebastian Collberg	0 GP	No
2012	2nd	60th	Damon Severson	289 GP, 20G-80A--100P	Scott Kosmachuk	8 GP, 0G-3A--3P	Nikolai Prokhorkin	0 GP	Yes
2013	2nd	42nd	Steven Santini	76 GP, 4G-13A--17P	Zach Nastasiuk	0 GP	Artturi Lehkonen	151 GP, 31G-26A--57P	No
2014	1st	30th	John Quenneville	19 GP, 1G-3A--4P	Ivan Barbashev	93 GP, 13G-15A--28P	Marcus Pettersson	35 GP, 1G-4A--5P	No
2014	2nd	41st	Joshua Jacobs	0 GP	Ryan MacInnis	0 GP	Ondrej Kase	119 GP, 25G-28A--53P	No
2015	1st	6th	Pavel Zacha	150 GP, 16G-35A--51P	Lawson Crouse	94 GP, 8G-7A--15P	Mikko Rantanen	178 GP, 54G-89A--143P	No
2015	2nd	42nd	Mackenzie Blackwood	0 GP	Mackenzie Blackwood	0 GP	Daniel Vladar	0 GP	No

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

IDK how the hell Conte had a job with so many bad drafts and f*** ups.


We have some solid pieces in place thanks to Shero and this scouting staff. We have a damn good prospect that probably is NHL ready now, and will no doubt be ready next year in Smith. Walsh and Davies also are pieces to be excited about too, especially Walsh.

I'm just hoping we get more suprise skilled players like Bratt, who is still an unknown as to what he truly is right now, but shows some unbelievable skill.

Also hoping they find a goalie for the not too distant future.

 

[glenwo2]

So does anyone know when Bratt is coming back?

 

[Cult of Hynes]

So does anyone know when Bratt is coming back?

Hopefully soon haha. Maybe sometime this upcoming week or the week after?

 

[Bleedred]

Man, going through Conte's picks, holy **** was he truly horrible as the head of scouting.



Got this from reddit.

Look at how bad this team was at drafting before Shero and Castron took over.

And look at some of the players that this team missed on.

People can be pissed at the Zacha pick and missing out on Rantanen, Barzal, Provorov, Werenski, but we coudl have had some damn good pieces in place.

We could've had other players like Dougie Hamilton, Tyler Toffoli and Dimitry Orlov, which would make the Zacha pick, that so far is not working out, a bit easier to chew.

Year	Round	Pick #	Drafted	NHL Stats	BPA (NA)	NHL Stats	BPA (EU)	NHL Stats	Conte's Choice Better?
2005	1st	23rd	Nicklas Bergfors	173 GP, 35G-48A--83P	Ryan Stoa	40 GP, 4G-3A--7P	Jakub Vojta	0 GP	Yes
2005	2nd	38th	Jeff Frazee	1 GP, 1.000, 0.00	Pier-Olivier Pelletier	0 GP	Tuukka Rask	455 GP, .922, 2.27	No
2006	1st	30th	Matt Corrente	34 GP, 0G-6A--6P	Cory Emmerton	139 GP, 12G-9A--21P	Yuri Alexandrov	0 GP	No
2006	2nd	58th	Alexander Vasyunov	18 GP, 1G-4A--5P	Ben Shutron	0 GP	Alexander Vasyunov	N/A	Yes
2007	2nd	57th	Mike Hoeffel	0 GP	Mike Hoeffel	0 GP	Maxim Mayorov	22 GP, 2G-1A--3P	No
2008	1st	24th	Mattias Tedenby	120 GP, 10G-20A--30P	Colby Robak	47GP, 0G-4A--4P	Kirill Petrov	0 GP	Yes
2008	2nd	52nd	Brandon Burlon	0 GP	Mikhail Stefanovich	0 GP	Evgeny Grachev	34 GP, 1G-3A--4P	No
2008	2nd	54th	Patrice Cormier	52 GP, 1G-4A--5P	AJ Jenks	0 GP	Dmitri Kugryshev	0 GP	Yes
2009	1st	20th	Jacob Josefson	315 GP, 20G-44A--64P	Jordan Schroeder	165 GP, 18G-24A--42P	Jacob Josefson	N/A	Yes
2009	2nd	54th	Eric Gelinas	189 GP, 14G-41A--55P	Ryan Button	0 GP	Dmitry Orlov	376 GP, 30G-96A--126P	No
2010	2nd	38th	Jon Merrill	262 GP, 7G-33A--40P	Tyler Toffoli	387 GP, 111G-118A--229P	Calle Jarnkrok	329 GP, 59G-69A--128P	No
2011	1st	4th	Adam Larsson	428 GP, 17G-87A--104P	Dougie Hamilton	435 GP, 66G-159A--225P	Adam Larsson	N/A	No
2012	1st	29th	Stefan Matteau	64 GP, 3G-4A--7P	Colton Sissons	203 GP, 23G-27A--50P	Sebastian Collberg	0 GP	No
2012	2nd	60th	Damon Severson	289 GP, 20G-80A--100P	Scott Kosmachuk	8 GP, 0G-3A--3P	Nikolai Prokhorkin	0 GP	Yes
2013	2nd	42nd	Steven Santini	76 GP, 4G-13A--17P	Zach Nastasiuk	0 GP	Artturi Lehkonen	151 GP, 31G-26A--57P	No
2014	1st	30th	John Quenneville	19 GP, 1G-3A--4P	Ivan Barbashev	93 GP, 13G-15A--28P	Marcus Pettersson	35 GP, 1G-4A--5P	No
2014	2nd	41st	Joshua Jacobs	0 GP	Ryan MacInnis	0 GP	Ondrej Kase	119 GP, 25G-28A--53P	No
2015	1st	6th	Pavel Zacha	150 GP, 16G-35A--51P	Lawson Crouse	94 GP, 8G-7A--15P	Mikko Rantanen	178 GP, 54G-89A--143P	No
2015	2nd	42nd	Mackenzie Blackwood	0 GP	Mackenzie Blackwood	0 GP	Daniel Vladar	0 GP	No

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

IDK how the hell Conte had a job with so many bad drafts and **** ups.


We have some solid pieces in place thanks to Shero and this scouting staff. We have a damn good prospect that probably is NHL ready now, and will no doubt be ready next year in Smith. Walsh and Davies also are pieces to be excited about too, especially Walsh.

I'm just hoping we get more suprise skilled players like Bratt, who is still an unknown as to what he truly is right now, but shows some unbelievable skill.

Also hoping they find a goalie for the not too distant future.

This is really interesting, although I'm very surprised that Tedenby and Josefson actually turned out to be a yes (and very ones back then) for ''Conte's choice better?''. Considering striking out on those two picks alone were killing us by the end of Lou/Conte's tenure.

I'm a little confused by some of this though. It says Rask was the BPA when Frazee was picked, but Rask was picked 21st overall in that draft and Frazee was picked at 38th. So Rask was no longer available by the time we got Frazee, because he was already taken.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

So does anyone know when Bratt is coming back?

not soon enough

we need Joahnsson-Bratt from the early Buffalo game last year game to show up