Devils 2017-18 team discussion (player news and notes) VIII - Postseason Edition

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I'm a Grabner fan but he ain't finishing man and that's a problem. I'm guessing coach inserts Stafford in hopes of getting in down low and high danger areas and finishing.

Ditto LJ but who's a realistic upgrade (currently on the team lol).

Zajac, Coleman, Zacha not too shabby on the PK. Perhaps Hall makes an appearance on PK ?

Fire Hynes ? C'mon.

This exactly. People are acting like Hynes just scratched Mogilny and Niedermayer in favor of Ken Sutton and Oliwa. These are minor changes to try to get results. Maybe Stafford has some goals in him from prior playoff experience and Santini/Mueller are both inexperienced guys who have struggled this season. These are decisions at the bottom end of the roster that will have minor impacts on the game. How about being excited that MoJo and Schneider are back in the lineup? Those two have an exponentially higher chance to change the result of a game than Grabner/Stafford/Gibbons or Lovejoy/Sanini/Mueller.
 
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Grabner is fast and can kill penalties. And no, he hasn't been good, but he at least poses a threat.

what can Stafford do, exactly?

you mean our 25% PK, right? and yeah he poses a threat all right, a threat to us selecting a high ceiling defenseman in the second round.

but he fast doe, he so fast
 
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you mean our 25% PK, right? and yeah he poses a threat all right, a threat to us selecting a high ceiling defenseman in the second round.

but he fast doe, he so fast

You failed to answer the question

What role does Stafford have? What does he do that we need in the lineup?

He is slow as molasses and he doesn't play special teams.
 
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Grabner is fast and can kill penalties. And no, he hasn't been good, but he at least poses a threat.

what can Stafford do, exactly?

I don't get this... why are we so concerned with our PK when we have about 7 forwards who can play on our PK.

Stafford had a very "Stafford" year but he wasn't all that bad in the last couple of games he played and let's be real here, he'll be playing minimal minutes and I wasn't expecting Hynes to slide in a rookie when we're down 0-2 in the series.

Stafford is no savior but with Grabner's play, you could ice Barry Tallackson and the result would be same.
 

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John Moore has been horrendous the entire second half of the year. He can't do any of the things you posted in the first paragraph

signing him to another contract would be a mistake. It basically means we aren't improving the D.

That's hyperbole. Moore has actually been a pretty good player considering who he has been paired with.

We are improving the D the way it should be improved - by letting our very young defensemen develop.

That said - Carlson is pretty decent in his own end and is good at denying zone entries. I never really want to sign guys at their peak for peak money and term. Carlson might be worth the investment though.

Still would rather see us build from trades and build our farm.
 
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This is gonna go one of two ways in my opinion. Schneider either steals the game or let's in a lot of softies, I don't see him just being average. And I am feeling good that he'll come in and steal the show. He came in and had some good reps in relief, there has to be a massive fire under his ass to prove himself too.

I am excited

I wish he was getting the start on the road - because if he lets in ONE softie....
 

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That's hyperbole. Moore has actually been a pretty good player considering who he has been paired with.

We are improving the D the way it should be improved - by letting our very young defensemen develop.

That said - Carlson is pretty decent in his own end and is good at denying zone entries. I never really want to sign guys at their peak for peak money and term. Carlson might be worth the investment though.

Still would rather see us build from trades and build our farm.

Damon Severson is a much, much better player than John Moore. It isn't really even worth debating IMO.

You can do both. Just because you sign Carlson doesn't mean you don't continue drafting and developing DMen. I would put major money that our first round pick this year will be a lefty DMan.
 

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That's hyperbole. Moore has actually been a pretty good player considering who he has been paired with.

We are improving the D the way it should be improved - by letting our very young defensemen develop.

That said - Carlson is pretty decent in his own end and is good at denying zone entries. I never really want to sign guys at their peak for peak money and term. Carlson might be worth the investment though.

Still would rather see us build from trades and build our farm.

Lol stats prove all of what you think about Moore to be entirely inccorect.
 

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The way people are criticizing the coaching staff, not that they're above it, you would think we actually were stacked deep with enough young talent to stop the hemorrhaging.

If only the UFA period started immediately after the regular season, huh?
 

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I'm a Grabner fan but he ain't finishing man and that's a problem. I'm guessing coach inserts Stafford in hopes of getting in down low and high danger areas and finishing.

Ditto LJ but who's a realistic upgrade (currently on the team lol).

Zajac, Coleman, Zacha not too shabby on the PK. Perhaps Hall makes an appearance on PK ?

Fire Hynes ? C'mon.

Nothing Stafford has done this year shows he can finish. If they truly think this way, they are f***ing dumber than they already have proven to be with their Lovejoy fetish.
 
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The way people are criticizing the coaching staff, not that they're above it, you would think we actually were stacked deep with enough young talent to stop the hemorrhaging.

1) Benching Mueller & playing Lovejoy

2) Playing Stafford (who does nothing well) over Grabner or Gibbons (the 2 PK specialists) agaisnt an elite PowerPlay

3) Not benching Boyle


These are all legitimate criticisms.
 

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i'll def agree on the headscratching LJ play, but i'm gravy with the rest of the roster decisions.

i think our defensive strategy just needs to f***ing get their acts together. we need to dictate play like we did in the last 3rd period
 

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i'll def agree on the headscratching LJ play, but i'm gravy with the rest of the roster decisions.

i think our defensive strategy just needs to ****ing get their acts together. we need to dictate play like we did in the last 3rd period

It's harder to with slower skaters who also don't have good hands nor score often.
 
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Damon Severson is a much, much better player than John Moore. It isn't really even worth debating IMO.

You can do both. Just because you sign Carlson doesn't mean you don't continue drafting and developing DMen. I would put major money that our first round pick this year will be a lefty DMan.

Damon Severson is not a much, much better player than John Moore.

I would like to know what makes him a much, much better player... is it his braindead coverage in his own zone, his miscalculated pinches, his below average offensive production or his soft play in front of our net?

Any of those issues can be applied to Moore or Severson.
 

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1) Benching Mueller & playing Lovejoy

2) Playing Stafford (who does nothing well) over Grabner or Gibbons (the 2 PK specialists) agaisnt an elite PowerPlay

3) Not benching Boyle


These are all legitimate criticisms.

Grabner wasn't doing anything the last few games, especially 5v5. Also the PK was scored on in each game so far, so it's not as if Grabner was playing spectacular PKing.

I disagree with your Stafford assessment, but that's my opinion here.

1# and #3 i agree with here. There's probably more to it behind the scenes, but Grabner has been very poor lately.
 

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Damon Severson is not a much, much better player than John Moore.

I would like to know what makes him a much, much better player... is it his braindead coverage in his own zone, his miscalculated pinches, his below average offensive production or his soft play in front of our net?

Any of those issues can be applied to Moore or Severson.

Yes, he definitely is.

tell me what John Moore does well aside from skate really fast. I will wait.
 

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Yes, he definitely is.

tell me what John Moore does well aside from skate really fast. I will wait.

lol... I can ask you the same thing about Severson.

Like I said, both players have the same issues and that's why I said that Severson wasn't a much, much better player.

If anything, they're on the same level but Severson has more upside but ATM, both players are liabilities.
 

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Damon Severson is not a much, much better player than John Moore.

Yeah, that's a stretch. Just going by age, Severson has the potential to become a much, much better player than John Moore, but he's clearly not there yet.

Were this true, Moore would have been benched for the most critical games of the season with the playoffs hanging on the line as well as Playoff Game 1, rather than Severson being the one falling into that category & getting benched.
 

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Yeah, that's a stretch. Just going by age, Severson has the potential to become a much, much better player than John Moore, but he's clearly not there yet.

Were this true, Moore would have been benched for the most critical games of the season with the playoffs hanging on the line as well as Playoff Game 1, rather than Severson being the one falling into that category & getting benched.

Just because a coach makes a certain decision does not mean it is the right decision. Just like him playing Lovejoy tonight is not the right decision.
 

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Just because a coach makes a certain decision does not mean it is the right decision. Just like him playing Lovejoy tonight is not the right decision.

Fair point.

But when I look at Moore-Severson, I dont view either of them as being "much, much better" than the other.

Perhaps Severson is collectively, marginally more athletically talented, I'll go with that, but he then completely gives up that advantage to Moore due to the lack of substance between his ears. Severson does really dumb things (way more than Moore), and decision making is a part of hockey.
 
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