Prospect Info: Detroit Red Wings Prospects Thread 2018-2019

[Unfriendly Ghost]

The Hockey Writers attempted a conversion of points from the AHL, CHL, etc to the NHL on most of the DRW's prospects. Interesting but as Tom Wolek writes,"It’s not a guarantee of NHL production, ..., and is the raw conversion from one league to another. It’s not a perfect translation,"

https://thehockeywriters.com/detroit-red-wings-prospects-roster-spots/

Reading that, it just makes me wonder why they didn't get separate coefficients for forward and defense conversions. They're fundamentally different things. Producing as a forward is markedly different from producing as a defenseman.

 

[waltdetroit]

Reading that, it just makes me wonder why they didn't get separate coefficients for forward and defense conversions. They're fundamentally different things. Producing as a forward is markedly different from producing as a defenseman.

I think it is a work in progress. He wrote about line strength and other factors that would affect each prospect. Big Job to do so its kinda a 1-size fits all

 

[raymond23]

I respect all of these statistics people are creating. I really do.

I just find it ironic how they are becoming more complicated then simply watching the player and making your own judgement.

 

[Unfriendly Ghost]

I respect all of these statistics people are creating. I really do.

I just find it ironic how they are becoming more complicated then simply watching the player and making your own judgement.

But it's not supposed to be simple. The idea is that in watching players, we miss all kinds of things. Humans just aren't that good at paying attention to a bunch of different factors, and we have all these cognitive biases that distort our perceptions of what we saw. In a way, the eye test is too simple and reductive.

 

[newfy]

But it's not supposed to be simple. The idea is that in watching players, we miss all kinds of things. Humans just aren't that good at paying attention to a bunch of different factors, and we have all these cognitive biases that distort our perceptions of what we saw. In a way, the eye test is too simple and reductive.

And yet taking somebody's word that they collected the statistics properly, then we trust that their model actually tells us something that is really useful is considered better.

I do think there is a happy medium between them, but hockey analytics are so far behind/can never be quantified in the way that baseball's can but a lot of people take them for gospel

 

[lilidk]

Finally some hockey July 30- August 4
Team Canada
Canada announces roster for World Junior Summer Showcase

 

[Leibinger6]

Finally some hockey July 30- August 4
Team Canada
Canada announces roster for World Junior Summer Showcase

Great news for Wings fans to see Ras, Veleno, and McIsaac all there. Very good developmental experience

 

[lilidk]

I wonder what prospects and hockey players do during summer. I heard somewhere that Mantha like to take boxing classes . I hope Frk and Svechnikov working on the speed. I noticed that Smith skating much better than last year

 

[Pavels Dog]

Looks like Rasmussen had an assist in a 5-7 loss against Team USA.

 

[Henkka]

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Canada's U20 coach Tim Hunter says Joe Veleno (DET) has a nagging injury. TBD if he plays later in the tournament.

Damn.

 

[SirloinUB]

NHL farm system rankings: Best, worst prospect pipelines for 2018-19, from 1 to 31

Sporting news ranks our farm system at 10th best in the league. I can't believe they have Cholowski so low.

1. Filip Zadina	LW	Halifax (QMJHL)	1st/2018
2. Joe Veleno	C	Drummondville (QMJHL)	1st/2018
3. Michael Rasmussen	C	Tri-City (WHL)	1st/2017
4. Jonathan Berggren	LW	Djugardens (SHL)	2nd/2018
5. Filip Hronek	RHD	Grand Rapids (AHL)	2nd/2016
6. Jared McIsaac	LHD	Halifax (QMJHL)	2nd/2018
7. Gustav Lindstrom	RHD	Altumna (Allsvenskan)	2nd/2017
8. Evgeny Svechnikov	RW	Grand Rapids (AHL)	1st/2015
9. Filip Larsson	G	Denver (NCAA)	6th/2016
10. Dennis Cholowski	LHD	Grand Rapids (AHL)	1st/2016

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Konnan511]

I'd swap Veleno and Hronek, I'd swap Cholo and McIsaac.

 

[Ezekial]

Cholowski at 10 is an absolute joke.

 

[Christien]

 

[Ezekial]

He made a nice play and got the 2nd apple on the second goal too.

 

[izlez]

I've only watched the first half of the game from last night so far, but I thought Rasmussen was the best player on the ice. Good patience to make passes, good forecheck, and always making a positive play.

That being said, I'm still torn if going 5-hole on that goal and then putting the puck through the defenders legs on the 2nd goal were absolute elite level plays or kind of lucky accidents or somewhere in between. Either way, he was creating plays.

 

[lilidk]

So how you get more than 2 points if they don't use him at pp

 

[Ezekial]

I've only watched the first half of the game from last night so far, but I thought Rasmussen was the best player on the ice. Good patience to make passes, good forecheck, and always making a positive play.

That being said, I'm still torn if going 5-hole on that goal and then putting the puck through the defenders legs on the 2nd goal were absolute elite level plays or kind of lucky accidents or somewhere in between. Either way, he was creating plays.

Rasmussen was really good, he is just a guy that goes out there and does his job. He was a disruptive force all night and that shot was definitely placed where he saw the opening. If they used him on the PP it could've been a more offensive night. I get why they didn't though, it's a camp and Rasmussen will likely not be at the WJC - and he's cemented himself as one of those guys. Give the other big guys a chance to show their stuff.

 

[Henkka]

NHL farm system rankings: Best, worst prospect pipelines for 2018-19, from 1 to 31

Sporting news ranks our farm system at 10th best in the league. I can't believe they have Cholowski so low.

1. Filip Zadina	LW	Halifax (QMJHL)	1st/2018
2. Joe Veleno	C	Drummondville (QMJHL)	1st/2018
3. Michael Rasmussen	C	Tri-City (WHL)	1st/2017
4. Jonathan Berggren	LW	Djugardens (SHL)	2nd/2018
5. Filip Hronek	RHD	Grand Rapids (AHL)	2nd/2016
6. Jared McIsaac	LHD	Halifax (QMJHL)	2nd/2018
7. Gustav Lindstrom	RHD	Altumna (Allsvenskan)	2nd/2017
8. Evgeny Svechnikov	RW	Grand Rapids (AHL)	1st/2015
9. Filip Larsson	G	Denver (NCAA)	6th/2016
10. Dennis Cholowski	LHD	Grand Rapids (AHL)	1st/2016

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

I'm quite they had us on the bottom10 year ago.

One great draft really can change things. Let's do it again at 2019!

 

[raymond23]

Zadina vs. Q Hughes is going to be the next Franzen vs. Hossa around here.

 

[Henkka]

Zadina vs. Q Hughes is going to be the next Franzen vs. Hossa around here.

Probably, until Tom Wilson does head-shot Hughes.

 

[Henkka]

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Petru had a really tough game today...

 

[wingsnut19]

Petru had a really tough game today...

Yeah, watching him now and seeing how he struggled so hard last year in the NCAA, I don't have much hope for him. I was really happy when the Wings took him last year, but he just hasn't developed.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Yeah, watching him now and seeing how he struggled so hard last year in the NCAA, I don't have much hope for him. I was really happy when the Wings took him last year, but he just hasn't developed.

He has some time, Larsson should hopefully help ease some of our concerns. If we have a second first and he is there I am not against Knight this draft year. Time will tell, but he had a rough afternoon to be sure. He wasn't very sharp, I am hoping for a lot better during the year.