Proposal: Detroit | Nashville

[Mikka The Grey]

To Nashville: Jonathan Bernier
To Detroit: Saros and the NJ 2nd.

Why? Nashville has to improve between the pipes.
Rinne 17-12-3 .898 3.01
Saros 9-9-4 .902 3.03.
Bernier 12-14-2 .911 2.82

Now, I don't watch a lot of Nashville hockey, but it;s hard for me to believe that Bernier wouldn't post better numbers playing with Nashville than he would in Detroit. I think he'd push Rinne for #1 and greatly improve the Preds' chances of making the playoffs.

The Preds can make a late run at a playoff spot without paying a heavy price (I've seen Saros. He's nothing special).
Detroit can even eat some of Bernier's contract to make it work.

The Wings get a top 40 pick and maybe something in Saros.

When you start the thread with "Now, I don't watch a lot of Nashville hockey....." that alone answers your question.

 

[MBH]

When you start the thread with "Now, I don't watch a lot of Nashville hockey....." that alone answers your question.

Look, I've been watching Rinne struggle in the playoffs for two years.
I've watched one preds game this year. And Saros was absolute shit against the Red Wings.

You've got a defense with Josi, Ekholm, Hamhuis and Fabbro.
We've got a defense with Biega and Green an Hronek and Bowey.

And not only does our goalie somehow have a better GAA, he also has a better save percentage.

Nashville fans have been living in denial about Rinne. They fired a good coach rather than deal with their goaltending problem.
And they're still in the same boat.

 

[Soundgarden]

I don't.
If Nashville has any desire to make the playoffs, they need an improvement between the pipes.
And clearly, Bernier has really outperformed Rinne and Saros.
He's cheap.
He can play next year at a cheap price.

We probably don't. That's why this proposal is so bad. You're getting the better, younger, cheaper goaltender and you have the nerve to ask for the 35th without even offering a swap of 2nds? We're not freaking out, it's just a crappy proposal that doesn't even pretend to be of interest to us.

Bernier's a 31 year old journey man. Saros is 24 and has two good years under his belt. His first three games have really skewed his numbers south, but he's been fine recently, especially since Hynes came in.

Look, I've been watching Rinne struggle in the playoffs for two years.
I've watched one preds game this year. And Saros was absolute **** against the Red Wings.

You've got a defense with Josi, Ekholm, Hamhuis and Fabbro.
We've got a defense with Biega and Green an Hronek and Bowey.

And not only does our goalie somehow have a better GAA, he also has a better save percentage.

Nashville fans have been living in denial about Rinne. They fired a good coach rather than deal with their goaltending problem.
And they're still in the same boat.

You've watched one game this year?
If Saros sucked so bad why are you trading a journeyman back up for him?
We're not in denial, we know Rinne is ready for retirement we never said anything different. The fact that you think we'd have been better off with Laviolette just tells us all we need to know.

Dude, it's a bad proposal just give it up.

 

[MBH]

We probably don't. That's why this proposal is so bad. You're getting the better, younger, cheaper goaltender and you have the nerve to ask for the 35th without even offering a swap of 2nds? We're not freaking out, it's just a crappy proposal that doesn't even pretend to be of interest to us.

Bernier's a 31 year old journey man. Saros is 24 and has two good years under his belt. His first three games have really skewed his numbers south, but he's been fine recently, especially since Hynes came in.



You've watched one game this year?
If Saros sucked so bad why are you trading a journeyman back up for him?
We're not in denial, we know Rinne is ready for retirement we never said anything different. The fact that you think we'd have been better off with Laviolette just tells us all we need to know.

Dude, it's a bad proposal just give it up.

I don't even want Saros.
Saros is a scrapheap goalie.
I want the second.
But Nashville has to dump a goalie if they bring in a goalie.

 

[BonMorrison]

No but you can have Ryan Johansen for some better stuff if you want.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I've watched one preds game this year. And Saros was absolute **** against the Red Wings.

So you're basing your evaluation of a player off of a single game sample size?

You've got a defense with Josi, Ekholm, Hamhuis and Fabbro.
We've got a defense with Biega and Green an Hronek and Bowey

While we may have some big names on our defense if you had watched more than one of our games you would realize that our team defense as a whole is absolutely atrocious. Actually based the aforementioned games Saros started you probably could have come to that conclusion

Nashville fans have been living in denial about Rinne. They fired a good coach rather than deal with their goaltending problem.
And they're still in the same boat

If you come read our boards no one is in denial that Rinne has been awful this year. That doesn't mean we want to give up a young goalie with a career 0.915 sv% because he had a bad half a season for a mediocre journeyman whose happened to have a halfway decent season. Let alone the fact you're suggesting we have to throw in a high second round pick to make it happen. I wouldn't trade either of these pieces straight up for Bernier.

 

[Soundgarden]

I don't even want Saros.
Saros is a scrapheap goalie.
I want the second.
But Nashville has to dump a goalie if they bring in a goalie.

Nashville are sellers this year. We want your second.

If Saros is a "scrapheap goalie" , why not just go for Troy Grosenick? He's 30, and him and Ingram are one of the best tandems in the AHL. Perfect.

To
Grosenick
Nashville's 2nd

To
Detroit's 2nd
Bernier

Nashville moves up to get Detroit out of Bernier's contract and Detroit drops 10 spots and brings in Grosenick. Win win.

 

[Predsanddead24]

I've got a deal to consider now too actually! Detroit has the lowest GF of any team in the league so they clearly need some goal scoring. .I only watched one Red Wings game this year when we played you all in November and Larkin didn't score and was a -1 so I assume he's probably not very good. How about Nick Bonino for Dylan Larkin and your 2nd round pick? Bonino has more goals than Larkin so the pick will help to balance it out long term

 

[Mrfenn92]

Nashville says no

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Proposal aside, I can't see Nashville thinking that if(any one) of their goalies falter that Bernier would be the one to save them.

 

[LeighDx59]

As a huge fan of both teams....that proposal is horrible for Nashville.

Saros is having a bad year yeah, but you could say that about damn near any player on Nashville. Trading him for a journeyman backup who's having a good year is incredibly short-sighted.

 

[RedMenace]

Sorry to derail, but Turris + 3rd for AA and Pickard? You can throw in Saros if you want, just to keep it even.

I know you already liked this, @Morrison, so I figured I'd give you a chance to unlike my edit.

 

[herzausstein]

Id rather roll the dice on Ingram then trade you saros and a low 30s pick for bernier.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Look, I've been watching Rinne struggle in the playoffs for two years.
I've watched one preds game this year. And Saros was absolute **** against the Red Wings.

You've got a defense with Josi, Ekholm, Hamhuis and Fabbro.
We've got a defense with Biega and Green an Hronek and Bowey.

And not only does our goalie somehow have a better GAA, he also has a better save percentage.

Nashville fans have been living in denial about Rinne. They fired a good coach rather than deal with their goaltending problem.
And they're still in the same boat.

The fact you mention having a 100 year old Hamhuis like that’s something to brag about tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge of the Predators. Countless posters told you already Bernier is a journeyman tender and Nashville isn’t interested.

You watched one Predator game and think they should ship out Saros...get a grip. Here I thought you were digging with a shovel. Turns out you’ve been using an excavator

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

Sorry to derail, but Turris + 3rd for AA and Pickard?

IMO, Nashville would need to add.

Turris is older, has a long term contract.

For that contract to be traded...Nashville will get something useful, but they'd have to pay to rid of Turris.

 

[RedMenace]

IMO, Nashville would need to add.

Turris is older, has a long term contract.

For that contract to be traded...Nashville will get something useful, but they'd have to pay to rid of Turris.

I was thinking about a 2nd, but adding in Saros might make it too much.

 

[Voodoo Glow Skulls]

I was thinking about a 2nd, but adding in Saros might make it too much.

Uhhh nope, neither, at all.

Something better than that to trade AA....and take on Turris.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Sorry to derail, but Turris + 3rd for AA and Pickard? You can throw in Saros if you want, just to keep it even.

I know you already liked this, @Morrison, so I figured I'd give you a chance to unlike my edit.

I'd take a chance on AA but only if he was willing to basically take his 1-year QO. Turris is playing really well for us lately. Hynes is using him again as a 20-min all-situations player, and as long as Turris is used that way he's more than worth his contract. If teams don't want to take him in a trade based on what Laviolette did with him, that's fine... I think it gives us the flexibility to trade Johansen instead since Turris is better than Johansen lately.

Not interested in any adds either side though. Pickard isn't as good as our AHL goalies and no need for any extra pick. Turris for AA might be worth a try just because we're overloaded at center and set to lose a couple wingers to free agency... although I suspect the Wings end up getting the better player when all is said and done.

 

[RedMenace]

I'd take a chance on AA but only if he was willing to basically take his 1-year QO. Turris is playing really well for us lately. Hynes is using him again as a 20-min all-situations player, and as long as Turris is used that way he's more than worth his contract. If teams don't want to take him in a trade based on what Laviolette did with him, that's fine... I think it gives us the flexibility to trade Johansen instead since Turris is better than Johansen lately.

Not interested in any adds either side though. Pickard isn't as good as our AHL goalies and no need for any extra pick. Turris for AA might be worth a try just because we're overloaded at center and set to lose a couple wingers to free agency... although I suspect the Wings end up getting the better player when all is said and done.

That's a fair response, and I know Turris is better than how Laviolette was using him.

The Wings desperately need a couple-year, stopgap 2C, and I know some people think the Turris contract will hurt Nashville in the long run. What about some retention on Turris for AA?

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

That's a fair response, and I know Turris is better than how Laviolette was using him.

The Wings desperately need a couple-year, stopgap 2C, and I know some people think the Turris contract will hurt Nashville in the long run. What about some retention on Turris for AA?

I think the ship has sailed on the Preds taking any retention on Turris. Well ok, that ship may never have been taken down to the docks in reality since I reckon Poile has always thought Turris was a $6M player, paid him that way, and probably now has that opinion re-affirmed if anything in his own mind. It's only us fans who might have considered a wee bit of retention at one point.

I definitely don't see it in this trade anyway. Maybe if it was a bigger trade where we got a more established player back or there were some other cap concerns that really necessitated it to grease the wheels, I don't know. But in the scenario of straight AA for Turris, I don't see any chance the Preds would retain.

 

[RedMenace]

I think the ship has sailed on the Preds taking any retention on Turris. Well ok, that ship may never have been taken down to the docks in reality since I reckon Poile has always thought Turris was a $6M player, paid him that way, and probably now has that opinion re-affirmed if anything in his own mind. It's only us fans who might have considered a wee bit of retention at one point.

I definitely don't see it in this trade anyway. Maybe if it was a bigger trade where we got a more established player back or there were some other cap concerns that really necessitated it to grease the wheels, I don't know. But in the scenario of straight AA for Turris, I don't see any chance the Preds would retain.

Again, fair enough. Just curious.

I've been trying to get Turris all season, so thanks for the non-inflammatory reply.

 

[Oddbob]

As a Wings fan this trade is not good at all for Nashville. I get that Saros is struggling, but he still has some upside, while Bernier is a backup goalie and backup goalies don't fetch a potentially better goalie and a draft pick. At the very least this would be Bernier and a 2nd for Saros, not that I want that deal as it makes no sense for us, but that is more in line with what the price would be.

 

[Henkka]

Saros is not any long-term answer for Detroit, and also not for Nashville. He is the next Anton Khudobin of the league.

No reason to freak out about backups. Bernier won't help Nashville to playoffs, that's for sure.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Detroit says Hell Yeah, Nashville says Hell No.

 

[Stuzchuk]

easy no from NAS... My guess the pick is on the wrong side of the table...