GDT: detroit does carolina - 02feb18

Boom Boom Apathy

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On the negative, the Canes lost

On the positive there were 18,126 in attendance for last nights game. That's an impressive crowd.

On the negative a lot of those were Wings fans.

On the positive, we've now surpassed Arizona in average attendance. So we are now 3rd last in the league in attendance! Woohoo small moral victory for us Canes fans!

It was a good crowd, but I'm guessing that was paid attendance and not actual attendance? PNC arena's capacity is 18,680 I believe. There were clearly more than 500 empty seats last night and the parking lot wasn't anywhere near full either.

Detroit always draws well when they play here.
 

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On the negative, the Canes lost

On the positive there were 18,126 in attendance for last nights game. That's an impressive crowd.

On the negative a lot of those were Wings fans.

On the positive, we've now surpassed Arizona in average attendance. So we are now 3rd last in the league in attendance! Woohoo small moral victory for us Canes fans!

Sure would have been good for that large crowd to see a good hockey game.
 

Boom Boom Apathy

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This is just my opinion but Hurricanes management and coaches are afraid to play wild with decisions. They play everything safe except with the goalie situation. They will pay a career backup over multiple years without any proof they can be a number one but refuse to make any changes in the roster whether it’s making a trade or bringing up some young guys. They don’t mind benching some of the younger kids but god forbid some of the others who have sucked miss a shift.

From the season when Francis took over (14/15), there are only 5 skaters and 1 goalie that are still on the team today. J. Staal, Faulk, Skinner, Rask, Lindholm and Ward so pretty much the entire roster has changed. From the start of the 2015/16 roster, they have added: Aho, Teravainen, Williams, Ryan, Fleury, Hanifin, TVR, Slavin, Pesce, Dhalbeck, McGinn, Jooris, Kruger, Darling, and Stempniak as well as a few guys no longer her (Versteeg, Bickell, etc..)

If you want to say their changes have been too conservative or they haven't acquired good enough players, then that's fair, but to me, much/most of that had to do with PK not being willing to open up the check-book.

Regarding the "not bringing up the young guys", if anything, the Canes have not been afraid to bring up and play young guys. Rask, Hanifin, Aho, Slavin, Pesce, Fleury, McGinn were all young guys the team brought up and played in key roles at a young age. Success at the AHL level does not mean success at the NHL level and they are going to play guys they think give the best chance to win. I will trust them in that regards as they know these players a whole lot better than we do.
 

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It was clear watching on TV that he had words for Hanifin on the goal they scored when Noah was blocking his view. Darling said something to the back of Hanifin's head, and then they showed Hanifin on the bench in an ugly mood. Correlation is not causation, but it looked suspect.

Darling played better than his regular book of work. The team let him down, so he has a right to be angry on a few of those goals (3 out of 4?)

Ooof just heard this from someone who sat down low tonight in the area we defended twice. Apparently Darling was screaming at and cursing out the team for their play in front of him from puck drop to final whistle.

If true, I can see why the team hung him out to dry tonight.
 

Boom Boom Apathy

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It was clear watching on TV that he had words for Hanifin on the goal they scored when Noah was blocking his view. Darling said something to the back of Hanifin's head, and then they showed Hanifin on the bench in an ugly mood. Correlation is not causation, but it looked suspect.

Darling played better than his regular book of work. The team let him down, so he has a right to be angry on a few of those goals (3 out of 4?)

Are you sure it was words for Hanifin and not something about the refs? When the puck was originally dumped in, I saw Darling put his glove up, which is usually a signal to the defenseman that it's icing and when it wasn't called, he looked at the ref kind of frustrated and focused on the play. Then after the goal was scored, I see him put his glove in the air again so I assumed at the time, he was pissed at the ref for not calling icing in the first place. I was on the South end though so didn't see close up interaction between Hanifin and Darling.

Team laid an egg last night, plain and simple. Redwings were beating them to pucks all night and moving the puck like the Red Army when compared to the Canes. Can't blame those goals on Darling as they were grade-A chances, but as Wally said, he seems to let all of those in, all of the time. He also seems to be playing small for a big guy. The Daley and Nyquist goals he was already down and gave up the whole top of the net and his glove wasn't able to catch the puck. Granted, both were very well placed shots, but if that was Ward, people would be screaming "Glove side high."
 

NotOpie

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Obviously Darling can't win with 1 goal for. The team played lackluster in front of him. But there were two goals where you had time to be like "oh, yeah, there is no chance he will stop...awww, I kenw it"

IDK if this team just needs to play the trap infront of him or just go balls out and track race it. But trying to do something in between isnt working

I'd vote for balls to the wall just to see if they can do it. But as others have said, I'm not sure they can....or maybe, it's more that I'm not sure they will for Peters. These types of "let down" games fall squarely on the player's shoulders, but at some point you have to wonder if they keep tuning the coach out as well.

If you want to say their changes have been too conservative or they haven't acquired good enough players, then that's fair, but to me, much/most of that had to do with PK not being willing to open up the check-book.

Regarding the "not bringing up the young guys", if anything, the Canes have not been afraid to bring up and play young guys. Rask, Hanifin, Aho, Slavin, Pesce, Fleury, McGinn were all young guys the team brought up and played in key roles at a young age. Success at the AHL level does not mean success at the NHL level and they are going to play guys they think give the best chance to win. I will trust them in that regards as they know these players a whole lot better than we do.

Okay, I'll bite...in agreement....the changes have been too conservative and Karmanos didn't open up his checkbook.

Regarding bringing up the young guys, Rask, Slavin, Pesce moves were more moves of necessity because of injury. Their play then dictated that they stay. Aho's talent pushed him into the line up, nothing surprising there (but he did play 2 years in a men's league before coming over). Fleury and McGinn weren't really "young" in the sense that they followed a pretty typical path as far as player development is concerned. Both played a full junior career, both put in a full year in the AHL without even sniffing the NHL. So while they are or were "young" chronologically, they weren't really young by NHL standards.

I like the idea of guys ripening in the AHL and forcing their way into the conversation. I'd argue that Zykov, Foegele, and Wallmark have done just that. To me, these are the guys that could, in some measure, give the team a better chance to win...especially Foegele and Wallmark. The 4th line doesn't score and we need some semblance of offense from that group. Adding Foegele in lieu of Nordstrom and Wallmark in place of Kruger, and assuming that Lindy stays with them, would be an interesting option...and one that I don't think would detract at all from the 4th line's role and from a PK perspective. Both are responsible defensively, both can score, and Wallmark is also good at the dot.

Zykov could help offensively, but something like 13 of his 23 goals are power play markers. We need more even strength scoring and while he might bring that too, I'm not sure who you'd sit to make the experiment.
 

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He was definitely yelling at the linesman... continued berating him while he fished the puck out of the net.

The last goal was a breakaway, that’s never on the goalie. But the other three game from “B” quality shots. First goal, Darling was playing too deep in his crease and not battling for a view of the puck. Second goal, you just need your goalie to make a save from that distance with that much time to front the shooter (make a ****ing save type of situation). Third goal, yes it’s a 2-on-1 but again he’s playing small on a shot that was nothing special.

Also, his body language was awful after the last 2. He looks like a man who’s on the verge of having the yips. It honestly might help him to send him to Charlotte at this point, he’s not an NHL goalie right now and it’s not going to help him to have a breakdown.
 

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We have 6 even strength goals in 7 games (if we conclude the Montreal game was as flukey as it seemed at the time), and we're more worried about our backup goaltender than the forward corps that cannot bury breakaways or put pucks into empty nets.

At what point do we turn our attention to the actual problem instead of wondering why our goaltending can't get wins behind a team that plays like they did tonight?
Backup goaltender? If you want to define him as the backup, then Francis needs to go as no GM signs his backup to the contract Darling has.

Darling needs to go. It’s not all his fault that the team isn’t playing well in front of him, but that is what we have at this point. We need a backup that the team can start to trust...I think that ship has sailed for Darling.
 

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Backup goaltender? If you want to define him as the backup, then Francis needs to go as no GM signs his backup to the contract Darling has.

Darling needs to go. It’s not all his fault that the team isn’t playing well in front of him, but that is what we have at this point. We need a backup that the team can start to trust...I think that ship has sailed for Darling.

If that's what you got out of that post, thank you for proving my point about ignoring the actual issue.
 

NotOpie

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Also, his body language was awful after the last 2. He looks like a man who’s on the verge of having the yips. It honestly might help him to send him to Charlotte at this point, he’s not an NHL goalie right now and it’s not going to help him to have a breakdown.

^^^This! 100% this! I don't get the aversion to trying this. Give the guy a full conditioning stint in Charlotte. Let him see 6 games in a row. He could be sent down on Feb. 8 for the 6 game home stand. Play him in every game. Let him experience success. Have Bales tag along. There are a couple of mechanical things (playing too small, slight positioning misques, etc.) that he could work on....but mostly he could get games in a row and build his confidence.

That game last night wasn't on Darling, but as THH said, you'd like him to make the hard save on a more consistent basis (I have had the same running argument about Cam when he's in his funks).

My sense is that a refresher like that is either going to build his confidence or it is going to put a chip on his shoulder. In either case it might just help.
 

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If that's what you got out of that post, thank you for proving my point about ignoring the actual issue.
No, they are both issues. Yes, we are not scoring enough goals. But yes, Darling is bad even when we do. The guy can’t catch a puck, it’s not surprising the guys in front of him get a little jumpy and then make a mistake.

Minimizing his importance to the team going into the season by calling him the backup is disingenuous. He is a failed experiment.
 

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But he didn't let in "all the Grade-A chances" last night. After we took the lead, Detroit had multiple Grade-A chances that Darling stopped. You can even follow it on Twitter.




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If he makes 3 big saves and then lets in 3 stoppable goals, that washes out as a goalie who lets in 3 goals regardless of the defense in front of him. Which is not good enough for the NHL.

Yes, the scoring support should be there too. That’s an 18-man problem which needs to get fixed. Darling has become a 1-man problem which also needs to get fixed.
 

Boom Boom Apathy

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Regarding bringing up the young guys, Rask, Slavin, Pesce moves were more moves of necessity because of injury. Their play then dictated that they stay. Aho's talent pushed him into the line up, nothing surprising there (but he did play 2 years in a men's league before coming over). Fleury and McGinn weren't really "young" in the sense that they followed a pretty typical path as far as player development is concerned. Both played a full junior career, both put in a full year in the AHL without even sniffing the NHL. So while they are or were "young" chronologically, they weren't really young by NHL standards.

How they got to the team is irrelevant. The Canes were the youngest team (weighted average) in the NHL the last year, the 2nd youngest team (weighted average) this year, and have promoted a bunch of guys to the NHL in the past few years. To say they refuse to bring up young guys just isn't correct. For years, this board bitched about how Maurice would bring up young guys and make them "earn it" on the 4th line and wouldn't put them in roles that suited them. Well, now we have a coach that is giving young guys key roles and in some cases, they are learning on the job and making mistakes. If anything, we are probably too young and it shows from time to time (like the Washington game, like Fleury getting pick pocketed last night, etc..).

I like the idea of guys ripening in the AHL and forcing their way into the conversation. I'd argue that Zykov, Foegele, and Wallmark have done just that.

Your talking out of both sides of your mouth a bit NotOpie. Your saying McGinn and Fleury don't count as young guys (which is a silly statement), but then talk about Zykov, Foegele, and Wallmark? How are they different?

To me, these are the guys that could, in some measure, give the team a better chance to win...especially Foegele and Wallmark. The 4th line doesn't score and we need some semblance of offense from that group. Adding Foegele in lieu of Nordstrom and Wallmark in place of Kruger, and assuming that Lindy stays with them, would be an interesting option...and one that I don't think would detract at all from the 4th line's role and from a PK perspective. Both are responsible defensively, both can score, and Wallmark is also good at the dot.

Maybe/maybe not, but we're now talking about guys that will see the ice maybe 9-10 min. a game even strength here. I wouldn't have a problem with the Canes trying 1 or 2 of these guys, but I'll trust that our coach, GM and organization has a better handle on this than we do.
 

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It was a good crowd, but I'm guessing that was paid attendance and not actual attendance? PNC arena's capacity is 18,680 I believe. There were clearly more than 500 empty seats last night and the parking lot wasn't anywhere near full either.

Detroit always draws well when they play here.

18,000 sold but only 12,000 in the building?

Wow, the Wings really DID turn this into a home game!
 

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Sergei Bobrovsky was .899 his last year in Philly, with every indication that he was not starter material. Then he won a Vezina for Columbus.

I'm not saying I think Darling will win any Vezinas. I am saying that giving up on a guy 30 games into a bad season when his whole life is changing, when he came in with a .923 lifetime NHL save percentage, is hella premature.
 

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18,000 sold but only 12,000 in the building?

Wow, the Wings really DID turn this into a home game!


I have not seen that many people in the building since the playoffs in 2009.

There were literally people still in line to get in halfway thru the first period. It took the entire intermission plus a few minutes into the next period just to get a beer. So there was def. 18K actual bodies there
 

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Sergei Bobrovsky was .899 his last year in Philly, with every indication that he was not starter material. Then he won a Vezina for Columbus.

I'm not saying I think Darling will win any Vezinas. I am saying that giving up on a guy 30 games into a bad season when his whole life is changing, when he came in with a .923 lifetime NHL save percentage, is hella premature.

Yeah but did Bob report for duty with his new teamm all fat and shit? I remember people here making dire predictions because of that in the begining of the year and I guess they were right.

Seems like otherwise good players take this place as a joke and show up out of shape. Remember that human marshmallow fatbody Kaberle? That was a disgrace.
 

Boom Boom Apathy

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I have not seen that many people in the building since the playoffs in 2009.

There were literally people still in line to get in halfway thru the first period. It took the entire intermission plus a few minutes into the next period just to get a beer. So there was def. 18K actual bodies there

It was the biggest crowd I've seen this year, but I still doubt it was 18K, even though admittedly, I have no way of knowing for sure so it could have been. In my section and the section next to me, there were probably 15-20 empty seats. We were in the 200 level, and in the 2nd period, I was looking at the LL section behind the benches and there were a bunch of red seats available. Same goes for many of the 300 level sections I was looking at. My wife even commented about it as this was her first game this year.

Unless all those people were in the bar/lounge areas or standing midway through the 2nd period (and there were a lot of people at the club level bar, there looked to be way more than 500 empty seats to me. I entered on the door that is near where the handicap parking is (east side near the champions club entrance) and at around 6:40-6:45 ish, when we went in, there were zero lines. Maybe I just lucked out and hit a down time, but I expected the lines to be back to the parking lot area like I have seen at other full games. Also, we parked at that time in the area by Carter Finley and we were able to easily find a spot up close, almost to the concrete area.

I did go down to the east lounge to meet a friend between intermission and do agree it was very packed in there, more than I've seen this season for sure,
but I got my first beer at LBC and there were 4 people in front of me. My 2nd beer I got on the club level and there was 1 person in line before me.
 

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I'm not saying I think Darling will win any Vezinas. I am saying that giving up on a guy 30 games into a bad season when his whole life is changing, when he came in with a .923 lifetime NHL save percentage, is hella premature.

The wisdom of patience. Spoken like a true holy man. Agreed.

Yeah but did Bob report for duty with his new teamm all fat and ****? I remember people here making dire predictions because of that in the begining of the year and I guess they were right.

Darling has been working on his weight to get a bit more quick/nimble.

I was pulling hard for Scott and the team to play well last night...thought it was the right move to start him. Tough to see that outcome. There are some fair critiques to be made against Darling, but I think overall he played OK and it most likely wouldn't matter who was in net.
 

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I just checked out sister Darling's twitter for the first time. Not only does she complain about everything, but stuff like this



is just strange. I've got a sister too, and this would weird me out.


It’s strange for sure. Her tweets are all either about him or her weight.

How many cats do you think she owns?
 

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