Confirmed Signing with Link: [DET] Anthony Mantha signs extension (4 years, $5.7M AAV)

[BKarchitect]

Mantha has grown on me and the advanced stats back up his improvement/impact. Still feel he runs too hot and cold to truly be a cornerstone forward but at his best he's an absolute beast that can give the best defenders in the league nightmares and this is a good, fair contract that blends both ends of the spectrum for player and team.

 

[SoupNazi]

Great move. Kid is a stud.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

If I was the Wings, I'd tank a few more seasons. Picking up Johnson and Killorn hurts you chances at more top 3 picks.

Well, I'm glad you're not the Wings then. How about you don't try telling our team what to do.

 

[Deen]

That is a great deal for Detroit. He is an All-Star every year if he stays healthy. They can add now too. Red Wings will be a threat soon.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Well, I'm glad you're not the Wings then. How about you don't try telling our team what to do.

It's not rocket science. More top 5 or top 10 picks helps the rebuild. Not so sure why you are sensitive to that. If you don't like that plan, what do you think the plan should be?

 

[WingsMJN2965]

It's not rocket science. More top 5 or top 10 picks helps the rebuild. Not so sure why you are sensitive to that. If you don't like that plan, what do you think the plan should be?

Not to mention Detroit isn't paying (Even if it's as minimal as a 6th round pick) to relieve Tampa of $10M in cap, even if Johnson and Killorn are still decent players. And based on the way the @BeingTheThunder phrased the post, it seems he knows that and was joking.

Or the fact that you can look at the way Yzerman has constructed Detroit's contracts and see clearly that he plans on sucking this next season.

 

[Lil Sebastian Cossa]

It's not rocket science. More top 5 or top 10 picks helps the rebuild. Not so sure why you are sensitive to that. If you don't like that plan, what do you think the plan should be?

One that has a little more to it than "Hey, let's suck for another couple years."

That specific trade is not a great idea because we're not getting nearly enough value for pulling Tampa's bacon out of the fire. But an equally stupid idea is "let's not actually do anything to improve ourselves and just hope that we get lottery luck this time."

I'd say something like getting a 1st from Tampa for Johnson would be a good move. OR extracting value from another capped out team.

What helps the rebuild is a cohesive plan to get better. Michael Rasmussen is still a year or two away from being a consistent NHL presence. Cholo was taken 16th and he's damn near worthless. You build through the draft... but you construct a team that will actually help your drafted assets grow. You don't just get a bunch of young guys and boom you're good. Ask Edmonton how that worked out for them... even with upper upper upper end prospects. The Wings are going to be bad next year no matter what moves they make. So you don't abstain from making yourself better even in an incremental way to jealously cling to a top 5 pick.

I'm sensitive to it because all of this just steers leagues to be complete and total haves and have nots and makes games not at all fun to watch. Like, I don't want the Wings to ever be as bad again as they were last year. That was painful. It's disgusting that a system rewards teams for being garbage and anti-competitive more than those who actually attempt to do something.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Nit picking, but Cholo was taken 20th.

It matters because if we'd taken him 16th, we wouldn't have Hronek.

 

[HOPE]

Mantha isn’t just his stats he makes every single player he plays with better. It’s a rare winger that can drive a line like Mantha can.

In what world Mantha is a line driver? He's a complimentary Goal scoring winger. i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's good at what he brings to a team but he's very far from a play driver.

 

[TS Quint]

In what world Mantha is a line driver? He's a complimentary Goal scoring winger. i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's good at what he brings to a team but he's very far from a play driver.

Your assumptions could not be more wrong:

Thats 3 years of data. It’s not an accident. Mantha factually drives play from the wing. It’s a rare player who can do that.

why would you even say something when you clearly don’t have a clue?

 

[TS Quint]

Nit picking, but Cholo was taken 20th.

It matters because if we'd taken him 16th, we wouldn't have Hronek.

Maybe they take Hronek’s instead of Smith.

 

[HisNoodliness]

In what world Mantha is a line driver? He's a complimentary Goal scoring winger. i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's good at what he brings to a team but he's very far from a play driver.

I have to disagree pretty strongly with this take. Mantha is the best line driver on the team and the key cog to our first line producing offense. For advanced stats he had a 10.9 relative corsi and 11.6 relative fenwick compared to 7.1 and 6.3 for Larkin whom you probably assume is driving that line. After returning from injury the season before last, Mantha upped his game and became the driving force to a legit top line for the last ~20 games of the season. He continued that play last year until getting hurt at which point Larkin and Bert stopped producing and the Wings went straight down the tubes.

Mantha's tendency to pick up a weird injury every year is his biggest problem. When he's on the ice, he's the best Red Wing right now, capable of driving a first line.

 

[NotLeddy]

In what world Mantha is a line driver? He's a complimentary Goal scoring winger. i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's good at what he brings to a team but he's very far from a play driver.

He is legitimately one of the best play-driving wingers in the league when healthy.

 

[Roadhouse]

Nice cap hit and term.

Montreal kid. Potentially a highly sought after UFA upon end of contract. Tyler Toffoli off the books at the exact same time. Cap will likely be up significantly by 2024. Two years left on Price/Weber's contracts. Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Caufield, Romanov all in their prime.

In 44 months, Anthony Mantha is signing in Montreal. It's inevitable.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Nice cap hit and term.

Montreal kid. Potentially a highly sought after UFA upon end of contract. Tyler Toffoli off the books at the exact same time. Cap will likely be up significantly by 2024. Two years left on Price/Weber's contracts. Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Caufield, Romanov all in their prime.

In 44 months, Anthony Mantha is signing in Montreal. It's inevitable.

No doubt there will be a billion Mantha to Montreal threads between now and then.

 

[ricky0034]

27> 25.

16>>>>>>>1

 

[Juicebochts]

This deal makes sense for both the player and the team. Arguing otherwise is just stupidity.

1. Attendance at LCA was really, really low due to a historically bad team. The Wings didn't make much, if any money this year. Then covid hits. With the way the deal is structured he's paid less up front than on the back end of the contract when we're expecting to be better and put more butts in seats in the arena again.

The red wings themselves didn't make much, if anything after the shutdown, but little ceasars did very, very well during quarantine. They're definitely not strapped for cash, and the league/team money situation had absolutely nothing to do with the contract.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

The red wings themselves didn't make much, if anything after the shutdown, but little ceasars did very, very well during quarantine. They're definitely not strapped for cash, and the league/team money situation had absolutely nothing to do with the contract.

A big part of the Ilitch portfolio is Real Estate, Casinos, Entertainment centers and all of those have taken an absolute bath with the outside chance that their downtown holding in terms of real estate aren't as big of a problem, but owning a huge chunk of casinos and several different entertainment centers that are now closed is a blow.

In the greater scheme of things the Ilitch family will be fine and yes they are extremely wealthy to weather this time period. But even for billionaires liquidating large amounts of cash isn't as easy as just going to your local bank. They have to move and funnel a lot of things around. In defense of Chris while I worry he is nowhere close to his father, I think both teams didn't have much of a need for investment in terms of the Tigers and Wings and we have seen that. I am not sure that is a covid thing, so much as it is where they are in the rebuilds. I am hopeful we are green lighted to be a cap team as soon as next off-season again, either picking up bad contracts for one more tank year or targeting UFAs and deciding to try to move out of the cellar after the draft next year.

 

[nbwingsfan]

In what world Mantha is a line driver? He's a complimentary Goal scoring winger. i'm not trying to take anything away from him because he's good at what he brings to a team but he's very far from a play driver.

Youve clearly both not watched him nor looked at his advanced stats...

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Nice cap hit and term.

Montreal kid. Potentially a highly sought after UFA upon end of contract. Tyler Toffoli off the books at the exact same time. Cap will likely be up significantly by 2024. Two years left on Price/Weber's contracts. Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Caufield, Romanov all in their prime.

In 44 months, Anthony Mantha is signing in Montreal. It's inevitable.

Montreal kids don't care about playing in Montreal

 

[Stony Curtis]

In 44 months, Anthony Mantha is signing in Montreal. It's inevitable.

Let's say SY doesn't think he can sign AM. Does anyone really think he'll let him go for free? Montreal might get him, but they'll have to trade for him, and, depending on the next 3 years, they might have to pay alot.

 

[Henkka]

Anthony Mantha is going to sign with Montreal...

...when he is 39-year old.

Just like Mike Modano signed with Detroit etc.

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Anthony Mantha is going to sign with Montreal...

...when he is 39-year old.

Just like Mike Modano signed with Detroit etc.

Will he be a whiny f*** about travel like Modano was?

 

[DaPhazz]

Well, I'm glad you're not the Wings then. How about you don't try telling our team what to do.

Best for you guys to call it a voluntary tank, cause you'll end up there anyway..

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Best for you guys to call it a voluntary tank, cause you'll end up there anyway..

No biggie, as long as we go undefeated against Montreal again.