Injury Report: Dennis Seidenberg

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[Danton Heineken]

Hey everyone...Dr. Adam Kaufman thinks it would be a "huge mistake" for the Bruins to bring back Seids.

"Despite the advances in modern medicine, it’s unnatural – even for freaks of nature like Seidenberg – to return from ACL/MCL tears just more than four months later (the estimated recovery time after suffering the injury on Dec. 27 and having surgery on Jan. 7 was six-to-eight months)."

Well if it's "unnatural", forget it. Forget what the doctors say.

Here's the crap if you want your eyes to bleed:
http://www.boston.com/blogs/sports/..._bringing_back_dennis_seidenberg_mistake.html

There's a reason why this guy is stuck doing overnights on the weekend.

 

[Alicat]

Not asking in any form of snark, any form of "gotcha" or anything along those lines. Genuinely wondering, because it is an absolute concern to see someone come back this fast, regardless of what treatment they are under.

But do you still feel this way now that contact is under way and sources like Pierre McGuire are reporting he will be back if they advance? It actually has seemed like they've played it relatively cautious in terms of when he started skating to when he started taking contact.

Absolutely still feel this way.

I sincerely hope the media starts asking the questions that I don't think a lot of people here are going to like.

 

[paree87]

Hey everyone...Dr. Adam Kaufman thinks it would be a "huge mistake" for the Bruins to bring back Seids.

"Despite the advances in modern medicine, it’s unnatural – even for freaks of nature like Seidenberg – to return from ACL/MCL tears just more than four months later (the estimated recovery time after suffering the injury on Dec. 27 and having surgery on Jan. 7 was six-to-eight months)."

Well if it's "unnatural", forget it. Forget what the doctors say.

Here's the crap if you want your eyes to bleed:
http://www.boston.com/blogs/sports/..._bringing_back_dennis_seidenberg_mistake.html

So wrong. I hate how people keep pretending to know the details of #44s injury. IF THE DOCTORS CLEAR HIM TO PLAY HE NEEDS TO BE IN THE LINEUP.

I don't care if he's at a higher risk for re-injury. I want the Cup. And who cares if he gets hurt and has to miss Oct/Nov/Dec 2014 games? He'll be fine eventually. Get him in the lineup as soon as he's cleared!

 

[Mione134]

Hes a cyborg. That's the only explanation. Or the doctor who did it is a wizard. Either way, as long as we're in the playoffs he's coming back. Its just a matter of time.

 

[Scotto74]

lets be careful here

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[Kate08]

I strongly believe that the B's medical staff wouldn't do anything that would potentially cause harm to Seidenberg in the long or short term to try and get him into a late round playoff series.

 

[Sanman19]

man's a beast. No need to rush him though we got solid D.

 

[Alicat]

Not a cause just concerned that a. He's being rushed and b. Questioning what the drs and Bruins said at the time of the injury.

Returning after 5 months is unheard of with this injury and it raises questions that concern me.

I'm sorry if I care about his long term health and integrity of the game.

I'm not willing to sacrifice someone's long term health and career to win a Cup. Not worth it.

 

[Kate08]

Not a cause just concerned that a. He's being rushed and b. Questioning what the drs and Bruins said at the time of the injury.

Returning after 5 months is unheard of with this injury and it raises questions that concern me.

I'm sorry if I care about his long term health and integrity of the game.

I'm not willing to sacrifice someone's long term health and career to win a Cup. Not worth it.

Lots of things that are/were unheard of still happen. A man on the moon. Swimming from Cuba to Miami. A plane completely going off the grid with no trace of it. Habs fans and Bruins fans agreeing on PK Subban being a turd.

OK, that last one is a reach but you catch my drift. I really don't think that the Bruins medical staff or leadership would do anything to harm him, or any of their investments (players)...especially given how well the team has fared to date without him (knock on wood).

 

[OT Moment]

What if the Bruins make it to the SCF AND one of our key defensmen gets injured? Odds on Seidenberg coming back then???

 

[Hali33]

Hey everyone...Dr. Adam Kaufman thinks it would be a "huge mistake" for the Bruins to bring back Seids.

"Despite the advances in modern medicine, it’s unnatural – even for freaks of nature like Seidenberg – to return from ACL/MCL tears just more than four months later (the estimated recovery time after suffering the injury on Dec. 27 and having surgery on Jan. 7 was six-to-eight months)."

Well if it's "unnatural", forget it. Forget what the doctors say.

Here's the crap if you want your eyes to bleed:
http://www.boston.com/blogs/sports/..._bringing_back_dennis_seidenberg_mistake.html

When I'm looking for medical advice I know I like to go guys that are a) not in any way privy to medical information regarding the case and b) aren't even doctors.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Not a cause just concerned that a. He's being rushed and b. Questioning what the drs and Bruins said at the time of the injury.

Returning after 5 months is unheard of with this injury and it raises questions that concern me.

I'm sorry if I care about his long term health and integrity of the game.

I'm not willing to sacrifice someone's long term health and career to win a Cup. Not worth it.

It's this part that I don't understand. How does this risk the integrity of the game? Isn't it possible he got a treatment that wasn't available 5-10 years ago?

It's pretty obvious Seids wants to come back and he and his doctors know the long term risks better than any fan. Is it possible you're just sticking with a position you took last month because you just want to be right? I mean knees are serious but it's not like he got a major concussion that could hurt the quality of life long after hockey.

 

[Spoked-B]

Hey everyone...Dr. Adam Kaufman thinks it would be a "huge mistake" for the Bruins to bring back Seids.

"Despite the advances in modern medicine, it’s unnatural – even for freaks of nature like Seidenberg – to return from ACL/MCL tears just more than four months later (the estimated recovery time after suffering the injury on Dec. 27 and having surgery on Jan. 7 was six-to-eight months)."

Well if it's "unnatural", forget it. Forget what the doctors say.

Here's the crap if you want your eyes to bleed:
http://www.boston.com/blogs/sports/..._bringing_back_dennis_seidenberg_mistake.html

Very interesting article. I mean, I didn't really read it all the way thru--skimmed it, actually, but at the bottom there was a link to an article titled "Kate Upton And Her thoughts on Her breasts", which I thought might be more informative, so clicked on and read in full. Thank you!

 

[Minny Shinny]

It's this part that I don't understand. How does this risk the integrity of the game? Isn't it possible he got a treatment that wasn't available 5-10 years ago?

It's pretty obvious Seids wants to come back and he and his doctors know the long term risks better than any fan. Is it possible you're just sticking with a position you took last month because you just want to be right? I mean knees are serious but it's not like he got a major concussion that could hurt the quality of life long after hockey.

Spoken like a young person who hasn't made the acquaintance of trauma-introduced arthritis.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/fe...etired-nfl-players-endure-a-lifetime-of-hurt/

Some quotes from the article;

Seventeen years removed from his NFL career, ex-quarterback Don Majkowski says he can no longer hold down a job. He can’t stand for long periods, and sitting is also tough. He has undergone nearly 20 surgeries related to football, including 11 on his ankle, three on his shoulder and two on his back. He has a 12-inch scar on his stomach, and he can’t walk very far because his left foot is fused with his ankle by a pair of metal plates and 13 screws. “It’s like walking on a pirate peg leg,†he said.

Nothin' bout concussions in that statement, but it sounds pretty cruddy to me.

Almost half of those surveyed (47 percent) said team doctors prioritized interests of the team over their health. Just 13 percent said they felt their health came first, while 36 percent said their health and team interests were prioritized equally. Nearly four in 10 players (38 percent) sought medical advice outside of team doctors and trainers during their careers, while nearly three in 10 (29 percent) said their teams discouraged them from seeking out those second opinions.

But hey....I want a Cup.

 

[Scotto74]

Bruins learned their lesson with Savard what happens when guys are rushed back. They have taken their time with every single injury I can remember since then so I am not worried about him being rushed. If he is not ready they won't let him play.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

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Spoken like a young person who hasn't made the acquaintance of trauma-introduced arthritis.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/fe...etired-nfl-players-endure-a-lifetime-of-hurt/

Some quotes from the article;



Nothin' bout concussions in that statement, but it sounds pretty cruddy to me.



But hey....I want a Cup.

To be fair, there's nothing about a knee there either. Also, if surgeries then were as good as they are now, who knows how he'd be. Either way, once the real doctors clear Seidemnerg, he should play. That's all anyone is saying.

 

[Minny Shinny]

To be fair, there's nothing about a knee there either. Also, if surgeries then were as good as they are now, who knows how he'd be. Either way, once the real doctors clear Seidemnerg, he should play. That's all anyone is saying.

No, Makijowski's experience that I quoted doesn't specifically mention his knee. I don't think it's at all a stretch to say that there's another NFL player who hasn't had the very same story, very same experience resulting from chronic knee injuries/pain, is there? That's kinda picking nits considering;

From the study;

Knee and lower leg injuries account for 53% of all NFL injuries across all positions

I was responding to the statement that non-concussion related injuries don't have a detrimental impact on the quality of life. They do. I've talked to several athletes for whom that is exactly the case.

I understand what everyone is saying that once the "real" doctors clear Moose he should play. I've acknowledged that before in this thread. I simply provided statements from former athletes who felt/believed that the team they played for didn't have their health as a priority when it came to making decisions about playing condition. I keep reading here that people believe the Bruins wouldn't do that. I certainly hope that is true. I wish no organization would knowingly put the long-term health and quality of life of it's employees at risk.

I've simply provided actecdotal evidence that shows some former employees of the NFL believe otherwise. I think player safety has come a long way, but as attached as we are emotionally to the organizations, they're not for-profit entities, and winning brings in the profit.

I also believe it's perhaps somewhat naive that some think the Bruins wouldn't do the same in the name of winning. Again, I hope not, I really don't, and no one wants to believe it or hear it....but it does happen folks. That's the reality.

disclaimer: I should think at this point during my time on this board and contributions provided that I'm beyond the point of being called a "hater" and again, as the co-creator of Seidenmoose, Seids is my favorite player on this team so I'm not sure where that insanity is coming from.

 

[Uli Kunkel]

Would like to see Seids go Willis Reed in game 7 now that Miller and Chara have both **** the bed.

 

[GloryDaze4877]

It's this part that I don't understand. How does this risk the integrity of the game? Isn't it possible he got a treatment that wasn't available 5-10 years ago?

It's pretty obvious Seids wants to come back and he and his doctors know the long term risks better than any fan. Is it possible you're just sticking with a position you took last month because you just want to be right? I mean knees are serious but it's not like he got a major concussion that could hurt the quality of life long after hockey.

I believe that Wes Welker tore both his ACL and MCL and was back playing in 8 months. So, two ligament...and WR's cut and turn as much/more than NHL players.

Some guys heal faster than others, and judging from hearing Seidenberg speak, he seems like a pretty smart guy who would not jeopardize his career after just inking an extension. But, maybe that's just me?

 

[Mainehockey33]

I believe that Wes Welker tore both his ACL and MCL and was back playing in 8 months. So, two ligament...and WR's cut and turn as much/more than NHL players.

Some guys heal faster than others, and judging from hearing Seidenberg speak, he seems like a pretty smart guy who would not jeopardize his career after just inking an extension. But, maybe that's just me?

I completely agree...

There was talk that he got stem cell therapy but that's not illegal, and who wouldn't be for a treatment that helps athletes heal faster?

PED's give you a performance advantage during the competition, cutting down recovery time doesn't give the athlete a performance advantage. I'm not sure how true this is because I don't watch basketball but a friend told me Kobe Bryant got stem cell therapy on his knee in Germany that cut down his recovery time (I'm just going by what he said, I didn't look this up).

In the end it's Seidenberg's decision on whether he comes back or not, the Bruin's can't force him to play. He's a big boy and he knows what's best for him so I trust his judgement 100%.

 

[BoyntBergie]

Not a cause just concerned that a. He's being rushed and b. Questioning what the drs and Bruins said at the time of the injury.

Returning after 5 months is unheard of with this injury and it raises questions that concern me.

I'm sorry if I care about his long term health and integrity of the game.

I'm not willing to sacrifice someone's long term health and career to win a Cup. Not worth it.

Unless I'm missing some inside connection you have, you know nothing about this situation. No one here is interested in him coming back if it's detrimental to his long term health, but none of us know if it is or isn't. Acting like you have some insight into all of this is just odd.

Just let it play out. If he can come back, he will. If he can't, he won't.

 

[Alicat]

Unless I'm missing some inside connection you have, you know nothing about this situation. No one here is interested in him coming back if it's detrimental to his long term health, but none of us know if it is or isn't. Acting like you have some insight into all of this is just odd.

Just let it play out. If he can come back, he will. If he can't, he won't.

Read through the last few pages. There are a few who are willing to sacrifice losing him for a period of time next season just so we can win the damn cup.

That is what I am referring to.

I have 0 inside information just using logic and other athletes injuries when discussing his return.

He'll return when he's ready but he won't be the same player right off the bat so my expectations are fairly low.

Cautious optimism here.

 

[acr*]

Read through the last few pages. There are a few who are willing to sacrifice losing him for a period of time next season just so we can win the damn cup.

That is what I am referring to.

I have 0 inside information just using logic and other athletes injuries when discussing his return.

He'll return when he's ready but he won't be the same player right off the bat so my expectations are fairly low.

Cautious optimism here.

If Seidenberg playing out the playoffs causes him to miss time at the start of next regular season, why wouldn't you do that? Who cares about the regular season, we can and did get a top seed with Bartkowski and Kevan Miller playing every night. We need Seidenberg right now.

An ACL isn't a life-altering injury either. It's not like where Marc Savard came back too soon from a concussion and still feels the effects of it. The worst thing that can happen to a guy coming back from an ACL injury is re-tearing the ACL, which will be surgically repaired and back to normal in another 6-8 months. It won't make him a permanent cripple. So what's the downside to bringing him back for the playoff run this year, our best chance at a cup?

 

[qc]

I know it's a longshot, but how ****ing cool would it be to see him return tomorrow night?