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Exactly. Ryan, Lazar and a decent prospect for RNH and the Oilers still probably dont do it.
Proposal: Deal around Bobby Ryan and RNH?
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Exactly. Ryan, Lazar and a decent prospect for RNH and the Oilers still probably dont do it.
BB88
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Given age and contract, I would need a significant add from Ottawa to make this work if I were Edmonton's GM (which I should be, but they won't return my calls).
Jumptheshark
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Just realized Ryan is in a cap hit of 7.25 for 6 more seasons--he is 29 NUGE is on 6 for 5 more years and is 6 years younger
oilers do not do the deal for those reasons and the oilers have wingers that are better then Ryan--Ryan does not play a head of Lucic, Eberle, and Pool boy and some would say Pouliot plays in front of him as well
My thought's are you didn't take into account what the oilers need.
This is brutal and ottawa adds.
If Draisaitl is playing RW for an extended period of time Mclellan is an idiot considering the fact that Letestu would then be centering the 3rd line.
Anyway, this trade makes no sense for the Oilers on any level. A cheaper, much younger arguably better player for a much older, more expensive winger. Don't see the logic here.
Something based around RNH and Ceci would make more sense but even then, I don't have much interest and would rather the Oilers hold on to their center depth and Ottawa doesn't have a big need for a top 6 center.
Ottawa doesn't need RNH, Oilers don't need Ryan. Oilers shouldn't consider this to be honest. Rnh is better, younger, better contract and plays the more valuable position. Ottawa would be crazy not to do it even if they don't need RNH though.
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No, probably not. But RNH is criminally underrated on these boards. Luckily, we have the World Cup coming so hopefully he'll return to form and show how good he is.
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Will u give us the Nuge for Petry?? If our second rounder turns into RNH, we would be very happy and gracious and will take it as a sign of good will for future good deals.
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Doesn't make sense for Ottawa, who has two similar centers and a very good #3.
It sort of somewhat makes sense for Edmonton, but is not good value and even if Ryan bounces back this season (which I expect in a full season with Brassard), he comes at too high a cap hit for Edmonton to manage.
It sort of somewhat makes sense for Edmonton, but is not good value and even if Ryan bounces back this season (which I expect in a full season with Brassard), he comes at too high a cap hit for Edmonton to manage.
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Any deal allowing the sens to get rid of Ryan and his ridicoulous contract is a big win. Getting RNH is a no brainer. But we all know thats not gonna happen unless Sens GM blackmails the oilers GM.
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After the Oilers picked up Patrick Maroon he had a beast 16 games. 8 goals 6 assists, I don't think I'm the only one looking forward to see what he does in a full season for us.
LW isn't a position Chiarelli is looking to upgrade. Most Oiler fans here are probably content with the forward group going into the season.
If RNH gets traded is either for the obvious RHD, or some sort of upgrade at C. Which isn't likely. He's good offensively and is responsible defensively too. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets more mins than McDavid just for the fact he's more experienced. It would be real hard to replace him and don't see Nuge getting moved anytime in the next few years till both Dr. Drai and Mcdavid get a few more years under their belts.
Jumptheshark
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Nah, I think the Oilers pass here. No offence to Ryan, I think he's a good player but ....
Center depth is a greater luxury to have than having like multiple solid wingers.
Also I mean if Eberle and Ryan are there, then where does Puljujarvi factor in longer term? It just doesn't make much sense.
McDavid-Draisaitl-RNH is a great 1-2-3 down the middle, many teams would kill for that and the Oilers really didn't get to run that at all last year because of injuries.
Not to mention Ryan turns 30 this coming season, whereas RNH turns 24. It's a significant gap as ages 24-31 are usually the peak production years of a forward.
Center depth is a greater luxury to have than having like multiple solid wingers.
Also I mean if Eberle and Ryan are there, then where does Puljujarvi factor in longer term? It just doesn't make much sense.
McDavid-Draisaitl-RNH is a great 1-2-3 down the middle, many teams would kill for that and the Oilers really didn't get to run that at all last year because of injuries.
Not to mention Ryan turns 30 this coming season, whereas RNH turns 24. It's a significant gap as ages 24-31 are usually the peak production years of a forward.
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Ryan is overpaid, but he would fetch more than that in a trade.
That said, the OP proposal doesn't work for either team. Value favors Ottawa, but we can't run a team with that many centers.
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From my biased position I would say that it makes a lot more sense for Ottawa than it does for the Oilers. Ottawa at least gets the player with much more value in the exchange, considering contract and age as well, even if they don't need another center. The Oilers lose the trade and weaken their center depth for a winger that they don't really need.
What exactly would you consider a bounce back season? Last season is the pace he's played at for five straight years now so I think it's safe to say that's who he is and it's extremely unlikely he returns to the player he was in his Anaheim years. This trade would be an absolute no brainer for Ottawa IMO; that contract is going to be an anchor for them very soon. It's a bad contract right now given his current level of play, but it's going to be much, much worse when he inevitably declines in the near future.
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It's poor value for the Oilers, but terrible player management for Ottawa.
Why would Ottawa want Lazar as a top 6 winger, One of Brassard/Turris/RNH as a 3rd line center, and Pageau as a 4th line C?
Why would Ottawa want Lazar as a top 6 winger, One of Brassard/Turris/RNH as a 3rd line center, and Pageau as a 4th line C?
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I think Ryan could lead our fwds in scoring. 25+ goals, 40+ assists is what I expect from him. I'm not saying his failures were not his own, but a lot of his struggles came from trying to do everything himself and not working well with his teammates. This will be much different with Brassard, I think.
People will give me **** for this, but although Stone is our best forward, who plays most consistently at the highest level, when Ryan is at the top of his game he's still our most dangerous forward. If he can cut down on the extended cold streaks (something he never had to this extent in Anaheim) he is more than a 60 point player. I'm very excited as to what he can do this year.
All depends on how Letestu does. If he's doing poorly, then sure. However seeing how Mclellan isn't an idiot, the odds of him having Draisaitl at RW for an extended period of time while Letestu is doing poorly seems pretty slim.
I've seen enough of Letestu to know he is absolutely not a 3C, he is a 4C who is above-average on the draw. Period.
If McLellan is playing him as a 3C by choice then he is an idiot.
Anyways, as the OP has already admitted, this is a terrible trade for the Oilers... ask the 31 GMs in the league who holds more value today, never mind a few years down the road, and it's 31-0 in favor of RNH. The only time I would consider losing a trade is major team need... and the only major team need for the Oilers today is a RH PMD.
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