Player Discussion David Quinn: Part V

[Row I Goon]

IMHO when players do what we did today in a coach’s absence it’s a “statement”

 

[rangersfansince08]

They just seemed more loose and probably weren't worried about being benched

 

[kovazub94]

What a bunch of moronic hot takes. “Shackles lost”, “played looser”? Are you serious? Is this what happened to Lafreniere and Kakko for whom Quinn gets the most blame? Idiotic!

Zibanejad was coming out of his Covid struggles for a couple of games now and finally the puck started going in. Buchnevich and Fox returned and continued to provide their career season’s performance. I mean all of these performance levels from Zibanejad, Buchnevich and Fox are a product of Quinn’s tutelage over his head coaching time here. Take your hate blinds OFF!

 

[East Coast Bias]

Didn’t see this posted - might be in other threads.

but Buch let it slip that it wasn’t just contact tracing

 

[haveandare]

I mean you can kinda read between the lines from the players that they believed they have a bit more freedom to express themselves on the ice. Obviously you won't change a system in such short notice, but it can be a small thing that makes a difference. Maybe you play with a little bit more swagger, when you know you won't get yelled at the bench for not playing the exact way the coach wants.

I hope Quinn is staying away for the next two games or something as well. Just because I want to see how we respond the next game. Will they continue to play with a bit more freedom and creativity, or was this just a one off because Flyers were so utterly hopeless.

I think anyone can read between the lines to find confirmation of something if they’re really looking for it. Mikas quote was pretty classic vanilla stuff not unlike players say when a team plays well with a star or starting goalie out - play for each other, etc.

And the guys who showed up huge aren’t guys who are ever benched or given short minutes - it was KZB and Panarin.

Having said that, yeah it’d be interesting to see what happens over the course of a few games. If they play way better against an opponent that shows up at all I’d be a lot more open to the idea that who’s behind the bench is contributing

 

[Mac n Gs]

Saw this before the game, and it's even funnier in hindsight

 

[haveandare]

They just seemed more loose and probably weren't worried about being benched

The guys who had big games never get benched though. In fact, people in here get on Quinn for not benching Mika as one of their more common complaints

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It's interesting and humorous for sure. You could maybe speculate that the players felt more comfortable taking chances and less pressure to stick to exacting guidelines.

But at the end of the day there is no way to really infer much of anything about the NYR because the Flyers were that bad.

 

[kovazub94]

I think anyone can read between the lines to find confirmation of something if they’re really looking for it. Mikas quote was pretty classic vanilla stuff not unlike players say when a team plays well with a star or starting goalie out - play for each other, etc.

And the guys who showed up huge aren’t guys who are ever benched or given short minutes - it was KZB and Panarin.

Having said that, yeah it’d be interesting to see what happens over the course of a few games. If they play way better against an opponent that shows up at all I’d be a lot more open to the idea that who’s behind the bench is contributing

This is how I read it. I mean which players that stood out last night you could point to to say that it was "f*** you" in Quinn's direction because of the way the head coach treated them?

 

[Edge]

At the end of the day they didn’t re-write the organizational playbook, they worked from the same book (that some think doesn’t exist).

They’ve also scored 17 goals in their last 3 games, including two wins coming off shutouts from their second and third string goalies.

So, yes, when the goalies stop the puck and Zibanejad is performing like Zibanejad, we’ve got a good chance of winning.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The thing about Quinn is he’d be great if they could bring in a great offense assistant coach to spruce up the game plan. We’ve seen what happened with Martin this season on the defensive side

His assistants would take care of the tactical stuff and he’s just the handsome head man that gets players motivated and buying into their system

But we’ve got Oliver, who no offense to him (he’s very nice ive met him before) he was in player development front office role prior to coming here, not a coach

 

[SML2]

The thing about Quinn is he’d be great if they could bring in a great offense assistant coach to spruce up the game plan. We’ve seen what happened with Martin this season on the defensive side

His assistants would take care of the tactical stuff and he’s just the handsome head man that gets players motivated and buying into their system

But we’ve got Oliver, who no offense to him (he’s very nice ive met him before) he was in player development front office role prior to coming here, not a coach

I hate this.
If we're bringing in a bunch of specialists to do the actual coaching, then get rid of Quinn. Subordinates should compliment the Head coach, not be the brains behind the team. Why would I listen to Quinn if I knew he was just a bobblehead that answers media questions?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I hate this.
If we're bringing in a bunch of specialists to do the actual coaching, then get rid of Quinn. Subordinates should compliment the Head coach, not be the brains behind the team. Why would I listen to Quinn if I knew he was just a bobblehead that answers media questions?

To be fair, this was the major criticism of Quinn prior to him being hired. People were saying at the time he was going to need those type of assistants around him to be a really good coach

so this isn’t exactly a new development haha

 

[Profet]

At the end of the day they didn’t re-write the organizational playbook, they worked from the same book (that some think doesn’t exist).

They’ve also scored 17 goals in their last 3 games, including two wins coming off shutouts from their second and third string goalies.

So, yes, when the goalies stop the puck and Zibanejad is performing like Zibanejad, we’ve got a good chance of winning.

I'm firmly in the camp that there is no offensive zone system. I've said that numerous times.

I know you're insinuating otherwise, but lets have a look:

1. Fox out talents several Flyers (Andreoff and Myers) 1 on 1, and throws the puck at the crease where Lemieux bangs it home. Another goal coming from talent and not a system.
   
2. Panarin beats 2 Flyers (Farabee and Myers) along the boards and feeds the puck to Strome for a give and go. Our system can't rely on one guy beating 2 guys in board battles consistently... can it?
   
3. Zibanejad just skates up to Myers and takes the puck away... I'm not even sure what Myers was doing here. Zib passes to Buch who is wide open while Kreider is also wide open. This doesn't demonstrate an offensive zone system, it just demonstrates AV's crappy man on man D-zone system.
   
4. Trouba does a hell of job holding the line and makes this happen. Maybe this one could be argued as a rotating system play. Let's go with that, but it also relies on Trouba beating both JVR and Farabee 1-on-2, and for Buch to be wide open (lolz man-on-man).
5. Nice transition play by Zib, 2-on-1 devolves into a triangle play with Trouba up top. Let's call this a practiced play.
   
6. Breakaway SH goal. No offensive system needed.
7. PP Goal where Panarin literally hypnotizes 4 Flyers who were sleep skating and feeds it to an open Zib. This isn't a system so much as the flyers giving up playing.
8. Zib and Kreider 2-on-1 transition play, not an offensive system.
9. Transition play with again the flyers having already given up.

Out of all those... I don't really see an offensive zone system in place.

What I did see was that piss poor AV man on man system that got worked by some of our more talented players. That will be very hard to do against a more layered zone coverage system.

Again... I'm still in the camp that DQ has no offensive zone system. He relies on our players having a quick transition and then simply out talenting the other team in the offensive zone. There are very very very few set plays and not a lot of structure for maintaining lots of offensive zone time that leads to a dangerous scoring chance. I just don't see that happen very often from this team.

 

[CupSeeker]

What a bunch of moronic hot takes. “Shackles lost”, “played looser”? Are you serious? Is this what happened to Lafreniere and Kakko for whom Quinn gets the most blame? Idiotic!

Zibanejad was coming out of his Covid struggles for a couple of games now and finally the puck started going in. Buchnevich and Fox returned and continued to provide their career season’s performance. I mean all of these performance levels from Zibanejad, Buchnevich and Fox are a product of Quinn’s tutelage over his head coaching time here. Take your hate blinds OFF!

Laf and KK didn't get a shift until 7 min into the game and then played pretty sparingly. When they were out there, they hit a crossbar, had several other opportunities including Chytil's goal. One game won't tell us much since these kids need to get used to not having the hammer over their head for every mistake. Ask Julien Gauthier how that works.

 

[duhmetreE]

At the end of the day they didn’t re-write the organizational playbook, they worked from the same book (that some think doesn’t exist).

They’ve also scored 17 goals in their last 3 games, including two wins coming off shutouts from their second and third string goalies.

So, yes, when the goalies stop the puck and Zibanejad is performing like Zibanejad, we’ve got a good chance of winning.

and when they dont look like zombies

 

[kovazub94]

Laf and KK didn't get a shift until 7 min into the game and then played pretty sparingly. When they were out there, they hit a crossbar, had several other opportunities including Chytil's goal. One game won't tell us much since these kids need to get used to not having the hammer over their head for every mistake. Ask Julien Gauthier how that works.

Agree about one game. Still I'll patiently wait for a sudden unexplained improved performance from Lafreniere and Kakko at the level we haven't seen from them under Quinn.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Laf and KK didn't get a shift until 7 min into the game and then played pretty sparingly. When they were out there, they hit a crossbar, had several other opportunities including Chytil's goal. One game won't tell us much since these kids need to get used to not having the hammer over their head for every mistake. Ask Julien Gauthier how that works.

I'm not saying I agree with it but it feels like they're trying to send a message to Kakko and maybe even Laff through the amount of ice time they got last night. Maybe they aren't doing something in practice or in the games that the coaches want them to do, maybe they're just trying to light a fire under their asses. But last night didn't feel like "a lot of special teams" or "we kinda lost track of them on the bench" BS. It felt intentional.

 

[duhmetreE]

Mika was an issue. Mika and the offense having a breakout game without Quinn behind them, is amusing.

Are we pretending that we didn't look lifeless for how many periods/games? lost count. Those things get swept under the rug? That never happened last year. It's a common occurrence this year... it's become almost an expectation at this point.

We do not know what to expect this weekend... that in of itself is telling

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Mika was an issue. Mika and the offense having a breakout game without Quinn behind them, is amusing.

Are we pretending that we didn't look lifeless for how many periods/games? lost count. Those things get swept under the rug? That never happened last year. It's a common occurrence this year... it's become almost an expectation at this point.

We do not know what to expect this weekend... that in of itself is telling

I don't agree with any of this but I think we can both agree that it would be great to see last night's coaching staff for both games against the Caps. This way we see if it's the new coaching staff (i doubt it) or if last night was a combo of Zib finally breaking out and Philly just playing a poor game.

 

[Sayba]

We have to roll with same group.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't agree with any of this but I think we can both agree that it would be great to see last night's coaching staff for both games against the Caps. This way we see if it's the new coaching staff (i doubt it) or if last night was a combo of Zib finally breaking out and Philly just playing a poor game.

what dont you agree with?

 

[SML2]

To be fair, this was the major criticism of Quinn prior to him being hired. People were saying at the time he was going to need those type of assistants around him to be a really good coach

so this isn’t exactly a new development haha

College coaching is different. It's about recruiting, about having people out there in programs steering people to your school. Quinn coached at BU. You could have freaking Mickey Mouse coach BU and there's going to be good athletes who want to play there. In the end I think he is over his head and professional players can see through his rahrah frat boy superman hair facade and know that he ain't shit.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

what dont you agree with?

The lifelessness. Win or lose, most of the games this year have been close. I forget where I heard/read few weeks ago, but the amount of times they went into the third either tied or with the lead was astronomical, wish I can find the article. I never got the sense that the team wasn't competing or engaged it was more about their big guys sucking (or were MIA) and goaltending was beyond awful.

 

[duhmetreE]

The lifelessness. Win or lose, most of the games this year have been close. I forget where I heard/read few weeks ago, but the amount of times they went into the third either tied or with the lead was astronomical, wish I can find the article. I never got the sense that the team wasn't competing or engaged it was more about their big guys sucking (or were MIA) and goaltending was beyond awful.

have you not been watching the games? We've slept walk at an alarming rate.