Discussion in 'New York Rangers' started by aufheben, Feb 18, 2020.
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The new edition where Trotz would have done much better.......
Oh.. This thread again?
OK fine.. I'll bump up my SOG to 28.5 which is absurd IMO.
Invent a way to f***ing defend if you have to ffs..
I agree 100% expecting the team to be the best in the NHL as an acceptable standard is completely absurd
Instead.. You'd rather just accept giving up shots against all game long.
Hell.. Let's just put 5 FWD's out there and call it a day.
I just love watching this guy shout at clouds tbh
Your whole existence is a cloud shaped in the form of a bipolar troll and drawn on a stat sheet.
I'll take the ban
Nite nite lol
You guys heard him
I applaud your efforts to try and hold a team accountable for something. It’s really noteworthy in today’s day and age when everyone just has excuses for everything and this idea of accountability seems like an abstract concept. Seems like, unfortunately, around this site— the only way to show fandom is to bow at the knees of management, blindly support a coach who has literally done nothing for an organization, rail against coaches who get the organization to conference and Stanley cup finals, demand a coach be fired because he implored a defensively responsible albeit boring style of hockey, way overestimate prospects and then expect nothing from them when they make the NHL, excuse pore play on the ice as learning experiences....
I’m really glad I am old enough to have gone to hockey games when fans still paid attention to the game, got angry at the team, shouted for guys to be traded or the management to be replaced. Sooooooo much has changed it’s almost not even close to what it was!
Holding a team accountable for not being able to reach absurd expectations is not something to be applauded. It's weak and pathetic and the work of someone who is trying their hardest to justify a really, really, really bad opinion. Par for the course with this dude, but in no way should this type of behavior be praised.
Lol AV was and is still a horrible coach His most successful teams during his tenure here came with another coach's core players. The more and more he got a chance to mold the team into his liking, the worse they became. Quinn has made more adjustments this season than AV did during his entire time in NY.
Revisionist history at it's finest. AV won the least amount of games in his coaching tenure with the Rangers the first year and actually won more game every single year after the first year including a 50+ win season(except the last year when management stole the team from him.) Just because his teams often ran into incredible goal tending in the playoffs and were shut down by teams that were really playing hot when they met the Rangers in the playoffs, is no reason for why AV should be considered a horrible coach.
I have no clue what standards most people who participate in this thread have for this team. At least @NYR is upfront and honest with his standards. I agree with high standards and--as is evident, even with giving up at least 2 poitns by losing games in the closing minute this season, is currently in the playoff mix and about 7 points out of the 8th seed. The standard some have on here for measuring the coach appears to be some nebulous" as long as the team is getting better" unmeasurable standard. Not only can't that be measured it's not a way to evaluate anything. I've said this before but in my mind that's the equivalent of congratulating parents when their young child walks. I'm pretty sure that was going to happen even if the parents did nothing in almost every single case, just like I'm pretty sure a roster filled with young players was going to develop even with Quinn having them develop in a system that sets them up to fail more than succeed.
I've had my fair share of complaints for him and his treatment of young players drives me crazy sometimes, but the teams improvement the last 2 months has been astronomical and obviously hes been a large part of that. Next year will be the big test for him. Please get rid of Ruff though
The difference in all this is the Rangers have never once gone through a complete rebuild, always trying to plug holes with over the hill UFAs.
Yes, the Rangers ran into hot goalies. Right.
Had absolutely nothing to do with AV's cluelessness how to adjust against a neutral zone trap with Tampa. Blanked, at home, generating a total of 22 shots.
Or throwing out Staal & Holden to close out a game against Ottawa where the best pairing of that game was Skjei-Smith and it wasn't even close.
Not like they've had one of the all-time greatest playoff goalies behind them or anything either.
We've gone off the rails but the goal tending of Anderson and Bishop in those series you just referenced was incredible and the absolute difference in both those series. I could list many examples of Quinn making even more obvious mistakes in REGULAR season games already when the stakes are so incredibly lowered. The joke of this whole argument is you all that defend Quinn to the death are most of the same people who hated AV--a coach with over 500 more NHL wins. I'm sorry but in my book, that totally discredits your take on virtually all aspects of discussions around NHL coaches.
Again I ask, can one opt into being ignored?
Bishop goals allowed at home that series (AV doesn't have last change): 5, 5, 7
Anderson goals allowed: 1, 5, 5, 5, 4, 2
First Ballot HOF Players over AV's career: Daniel Sedin, Henrik Sedin, Roberto Luongo, Henrik Lundqvist
Notable others: Perennial Selke finalist Ryan Kessler, Rick Nash, prime Ryan McDonagh
Hank put up a .927 / 2.11 GAA the year they went to the finals. He's the #1 reason why they were even in contention.
But yeah, regular season wins with those types of players your entire tenure is way more indicative of the coach. Lindy Ruff is one of the greatest coaches of all time I guess.
Ahhh.... the enlightened view of the one among us who truly has no agenda and is completely impartial.
And again I ask, where oh where is that silent majority?
Quinn’s playoff appearances-0
Quinn’s Stanley Cup appearances- 0
Quinn’s ability to compare favorably to hall of fame potential coaches -0
We can all quote stats here. Only in delusional HFboards do people actually favorably compare a failing NHL coach to a proven winner and somehow think that makes sense.
Yeah, you just have to post the right things.
Gotta love stuff with blinders on. Like failing to compare the rosters that AV had to the one that Quinn has.
And Quinn has the youngest team in the league and has had this amount of success. Including the turnaround in all the metric in the last two months and one of the top power plays. But sure he's clearly a failing NHL coach who is in way over his head.
Again- revisionist history. This would be accurate for the late 90’s and various parts around the turn of the century but that 2014 cup team was filled with Rangers who developed in this system and or players who were acquired by moving younger prospects to get older veterans( a path many team use to build rosters when they believe they can win.) By my count, 12 of the players in the starting 18 we guys the Rangers organization developed and moved into prominent roles. It’s funny, I don’t remember any letter going out to the fan base in 2011,2012,2013... oh wait that right, those were the same years the team was finishing at or near the top of the Eastern conference! This own organization proved that it is possible to have prolonged success, plug holes and allow players to develop at an appropriate pace, set an example of how it can be done, and now if filled with fans applauding this “take it all apart and start over approach!”
Let’s not make sweeping generalizations like “the Rangers have never gone through a complete rebuild” and just expect that to go unchecked. This notion of “take it all apart and try and rebuild from nothing” is a relatively new age approach to building teams( and a very flawed approach.). Most teams wanted to be what the Rangers were for 10 years by rebuilding with missing pieces and tried to fill holes with the best available players up until recently.
In fact the only teams to do the total rebuild were teams that got generational talent like Crosby and Ovie, Kane and Toewrs and even some of those like Edmonton with McDavid can’t get it right.0
a 4 year window where they were a serious contender for 3 of them is not a prolonged period of success.
Right yeah most teams have that success... please stop...
Also basically 10 years in a row with playoff appearances, a number of deep runs, conference finals multiple times... what did you want 5 straight cups wins, then lose in the finals for 4 straight years?!?!
I really can’t even believe the insanity I read on here.
For anyone who can think normally, if the Rangers run that ended 3 seasons ago and began 10 years before that is not considered a prolong stretch of success someone tell me what would be.
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