Player Discussion David Krejci V

[LSCII]

Why DK? Why not 5 time Selke winner Bergeron?

Because he makes less than DK, is signed for longer, and even if his offense were to drop off a bit, he'd still provide world class defensive play? He also doesn't have the hip issues DK has had and while he could be a concussion away from being out of the game (which you can say about literally any player in reality), I'd take the risk because his skating is still very strong, where as DK's is not.

 

[BMC]

Because he makes less than DK, is signed for longer, and even if his offense were to drop off a bit, he'd still provide world class defensive play? He also doesn't have the hip issues DK has had and while he could be a concussion away from being out of the game (which you can say about literally any player in reality), I'd take the risk because his skating is still very strong, where as DK's is not.

But you could get more for Bergeron as he is considered the better player.

 

[KrejciMVP]

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They should have tried that 1st line, when they were struggling in the finals.

 

[KrejciMVP]

I say give this team one more year to win the Cup. It also gives management another year to see where Studnicka and Frederic are in their development and allows them to gauge if they can replace Krejci or not.

asking Studnika and Frederic to produce at a 70 point level (with 1 legitmate winger) and play responsible 2 way hockey is a tough ask

 

[Estlin]

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If I'm reading the numbers right, then that is Senyshyn as third-line RW and KK as fourth-line RW? I would love to see this forward line-up.

 

[LouJersey]

If I'm reading the numbers right, then that is Senyshyn as third-line RW and KK as fourth-line RW? I would love to see this forward line-up.

yes....new blood on the right side...hungry...fast...See how they do..

 

[Jim]

I'd personally look to move DK now while his value is at the highest it's been in years. He's coming off one of his best statistical seasons and is not likely to match it going forward, and he's not getting younger. Tough to say that, but this is the cold hard reality in a cap world.

I like your thinking, but then we’d have to accept the beginnings of a rebuild. We can’t replace him internally, and it wouldn’t make sense for a team to trade us an up and coming center.

It would be awfully hard to sell a rebuild To a fanbase that just saw our team miss the Cup by a game.

Now would be the time to move him, sell high, but I don’t see it unless our season tanks and he is still performing solid by the trade deadline.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

I like your thinking, but then we’d have to accept the beginnings of a rebuild. We can’t replace him internally, and it wouldn’t make sense for a team to trade us an up and coming center.

It would be awfully hard to sell a rebuild To a fanbase that just saw our team miss the Cup by a game.

Now would be the time to move him, sell high, but I don’t see it unless our season tanks and he is still performing solid by the trade deadline.

How on God's green earth is moving one player, DK, make it a rebuild?

 

[Mainehockey33]

Because he makes less than DK, is signed for longer, and even if his offense were to drop off a bit, he'd still provide world class defensive play? He also doesn't have the hip issues DK has had and while he could be a concussion away from being out of the game (which you can say about literally any player in reality), I'd take the risk because his skating is still very strong, where as DK's is not.

Those are all great reasons why we should move Bergeron if we’re blowing it up.

 

[Jim]

How on God's green earth is moving one player, DK, make it a rebuild?

I said the start of a rebuild. Is that so outlandish? When moving an older core player, on expiring contracts, and not getting immediate equal value in return (instead younger, developing players or picks) it is generally “rebuilding”.

 

[JCRO]

It must be summertime

 

[LSCII]

But you could get more for Bergeron as he is considered the better player.

Sure, but he's also more valuable to the team because of that. If you need a replacement for DK, you slot Coyle up and can get a reasonable facsimile of DK. Who would be able to slot up and replace Bergeron in terms of overall play? DK can do the offensive side, but you have nobody that can be the top PK guy, or the top defensive shut down center in 5 on 5.

I get you love DK as a player, and he's really good, but he's not as good as Bergeron overall, and is to me the veteran you move on from.

 

[LSCII]

Those are all great reasons why we should move Bergeron if we’re blowing it up.

Didn't say blowing it up. Just creating space to keep the future core. And the most logical veteran to move is DK, imo. Hard decision, hard to do, but logically speaking, it would be him if they did something like that.

See my response to BMC for the part about why not Bergeron. Don't want to type it all over again...lol

 

[LSCII]

I like your thinking, but then we’d have to accept the beginnings of a rebuild. We can’t replace him internally, and it wouldn’t make sense for a team to trade us an up and coming center.

It would be awfully hard to sell a rebuild To a fanbase that just saw our team miss the Cup by a game.

Now would be the time to move him, sell high, but I don’t see it unless our season tanks and he is still performing solid by the trade deadline.

I would say more of a transition than rebuild. DK, Chara, Bergeron, and Marchand are all getting older. The future is here with the young core of Pasta, McAvoy, Krug, Carlo etc. You can't keep everyone, and the logical move to me is to retain as many of the young guys as possible instead of the older guys. If you do that, you have to look at the aging core and figure out who makes the most sense. To me, that would be DK. I get it's hard to even think about, but it's true, IMO.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Sure, but he's also more valuable to the team because of that. If you need a replacement for DK, you slot Coyle up and can get a reasonable facsimile of DK. Who would be able to slot up and replace Bergeron in terms of overall play? DK can do the offensive side, but you have nobody that can be the top PK guy, or the top defensive shut down center in 5 on 5.

I get you love DK as a player, and he's really good, but he's not as good as Bergeron overall, and is to me the veteran you move on from.

Coyle is no where near Krejci either. Get rid of Bergeron or Krejci right now and the effect is the same, the Bruins go from a condender to a bubble team so why not trade the one with more value, or trade both?

I’d rather contend again next year personally. Trading Krejci right now isn’t a move a contender makes.

 

[Mainehockey33]

I would say more of a transition than rebuild. DK, Chara, Bergeron, and Marchand are all getting older. The future is here with the young core of Pasta, McAvoy, Krug, Carlo etc. You can't keep everyone, and the logical move to me is to retain as many of the young guys as possible instead of the older guys. If you do that, you have to look at the aging core and figure out who makes the most sense. To me, that would be DK. I get it's hard to even think about, but it's true, IMO.

That’ll probably be the plan next summer if Studnicka shows he’s ready. The key to a successful transition is to not get worse in the process.

 

[LSCII]

Coyle is no where near Krejci either. Get rid of Bergeron or Krejci right now and the effect is the same, the Bruins go from a condender to a bubble team so why not trade the one with more value, or trade both?

I’d rather contend again next year personally. Trading Krejci right now isn’t a move a contender makes.

He's not as good as DK, but he could eaily give you 75% of what DK does. They don't have anyone that can give them even 50% of what Bergeron does. Which is why you have to make the hard call to move a guy like DK, imo. Sucks to do, and it makes them worse initially, but they'd be worse off without Bergeron, in all phases of the game.

 

[BMC]

Sure, but he's also more valuable to the team because of that. If you need a replacement for DK, you slot Coyle up and can get a reasonable facsimile of DK. Who would be able to slot up and replace Bergeron in terms of overall play? DK can do the offensive side, but you have nobody that can be the top PK guy, or the top defensive shut down center in 5 on 5.

I get you love DK as a player, and he's really good, but he's not as good as Bergeron overall, and is to me the veteran you move on from.

Coyle on the second line? I don't think so, I don't think he's good enough to play there as much as I like him. And I like him a lot!

 

[LSCII]

Coyle on the second line? I don't think so, I don't think he's good enough to play there as much as I like him. And I like him a lot!

Sure, I get that this is your opinion and I have no issue with it. I disagree, but I get why you'd say that. And you know what? It would be difficult to replace DK in this lineup. Not even a question. But I believe it would far harder to replace Bergeron, which is why I came to the conclusion I did.

Either way, I don't think they'd move DK or Bergy. So there's nothing to worry about.

 

[Mainehockey33]

He's not as good as DK, but he could eaily give you 75% of what DK does. They don't have anyone that can give them even 50% of what Bergeron does. Which is why you have to make the hard call to move a guy like DK, imo. Sucks to do, and it makes them worse initially, but they'd be worse off without Bergeron, in all phases of the game.

And they need 100% of Krejci if they want to win a cup next year. I have no problem with anyone that wants to move Krejci, but just admit their chances of winning a cup this season disappear.

And I’m not sure you’re right about Krejci not giving 50% of Bergeron. Remember when Bergeron was out last season?

 

[LSCII]

And they need 100% of Krejci if they want to win a cup next year. I have no problem with anyone that wants to move Krejci, but just admit their chances of winning a cup this season disappear.

And I’m not sure you’re right about Krejci not giving 50% of Bergeron. Remember when Bergeron was out last season?

See, I don't think they will go back to the cup finals next year. Not because they can't or because they're not good enough, but because most teams do not lose and then get back there the next year for whatever reason. I went back to 1980 (which I posted earlier in this thread) and it's happened all of once. Teams that lose rarely get back the following year. It's just not something that happens. One time in 39 years. That's it. So the odds are definitely against the B's getting back there.

 

[Mainehockey33]

See, I don't think they will go back to the cup finals next year. Not because they can't or because they're not good enough, but because most teams do not lose and then get back there the next year for whatever reason. I went back to 1980 (which I posted earlier in this thread) and it's happened all of once. Teams that lose rarely get back the following year. It's just not something that happens. One time in 39 years. That's it. So the odds are definitely against the B's getting back there.

That’s fair but you’re just looking at one stat that shows the Penguins are the only team to lose in the final and win it all the next year and completely ignoring the current makeup of this Bruins team and the growth of the younger players.

Every year the Bruins only have a 1 in 31 chance to win the cup, that’s not a good reason to trade the best players away.

 

[LSCII]

That’s fair but you’re just looking at one stat that shows the Penguins are the only team to lose in the final and win it all the next year and completely ignoring the current makeup of this Bruins team and the growth of the younger players.

Every year the Bruins only have a 1 in 31 chance to win the cup, that’s not a good reason to trade the best players away.

No, to be clear, I said only one team in the last 39 year lost in the finals and even made it back the following year. That was the Penguins and they just happened to win it, but that's irrelevant to the topic. It happened one time since 1980 that a team that lost in the finals got back the following season. It's a statistical oddity, for sure, but one that's held pretty solid for a long time now.

It's like how of the two teams that play in the super bowl, most years one of them doesn't even make the playoffs the following season. It's a weird kind of anomaly.

 

[NDiesel]

But you could get more for Bergeron as he is considered the better player.

You can get more for trading Pastrnak instead of trading Kevan Miller.....doesn't mean you should do it.

Bergy is not going to be traded because of what he brings when he isn't scoring. Defensive play can be counted on when his offense dries up and while Krejci is no slouch as a two-way player either we all know who the king of two-way play is.

 

[LSCII]

The Bruins lost in 13 and it took them 6 years to even get a sniff of the cup again, FFS. If the single reason you don't make a move of a core veteran player is because you think they're going back next year, odds are wildly against you.