Player Discussion David Krejci. IV

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I think fans are just tired of the long list of excuses.... year after year. It's his wingers.... wait no, he's playing though an injury. It's the coach. It's was his hip all along! He's just waiting for the playoffs! Remember 2011? I don't believe his recent dip in play is related to his quality of wingers.

He's been a tease his whole career. I don't know if that two week streak was Krejci's chemistry with Marchand/Pastrnak or him simply being engaged for a few games with new exciting wingers. It's always peaks and valleys with him. Still gets his 15-20 goals and 60 ish points. Maybe he can leach a few extra points playing with those two, but his game won't change.

I still think Marchand is the player who can elevate Krejci's scoring consistency by himself. Get them a goal scoring right shot winger and let Bergeron work his magic with Pastrnak/DeBrusk.

I think it's time to move him, get some picks, and let Bruins fans find someone else to blame. Sooner or later in the next 100 years they'll maybe figure out Jacobs isn't a great owner. The hockey world outside the boston bubble knows he's good so you'll find a contender to take him instantly. Krejci could elevate a contender to a cup. I think it's becoming the norm in Bruin land now to chase championship players coaches and GM's out of town these days anyway.
 
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And then DK was put with Pastrnak and Marchand and he started scoring goals. People were so surprised they didn’t know Krejci had a one timer.

If you actually watch the games, you can see that it isn’t Krejci’s fault JD’s assist totals are low, it’s because JD hasn’t made many good plays this year, especially 5 on 5.

I do watch the games and what I see is DK sleepwalking through them since Bergeron came back. JDB can't buy an assist because Nordstrom sucks and DK doesn't shoot the f***ing puck. You can say it's because JDB hasn't made any good plays but that's nonsense. You can't get an assist if the guy you pass it to won't shoot.
 

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I was always told it's 10% what happens, and 90% how you react to it.
So DK is not producing again. Expecting things to change with DK when they haven't in the past is not the answer. They can be stubborn and say he's paid to produce, but if he's not producing, then that still gets you nowhere. This is a business, and coaches and management are paid to come up with creative solutions to win. So get him help or trade him, but don't repeat what hasn't worked before.
At this point, I'm wondering if the B's have been waiting to see if any of their prospects drastically turn the corner developing and will be the surprise answer later on in the season.
 

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I do watch the games and what I see is DK sleepwalking through them since Bergeron came back. JDB can't buy an assist because Nordstrom sucks and DK doesn't shoot the ****ing puck. You can say it's because JDB hasn't made any good plays but that's nonsense. You can't get an assist if the guy you pass it to won't shoot.
That’s not true. Most of the time they get into the offensive zone JD and Nordstrom go to the slot and leave Krejci alone on the perimeter. JD isn’t a puck possession guy anyway. The only guy on that line with any puck presence in the O zone is Krejci.
 

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Krejci helped quite a bit keep the Bruins afloat with Bergy and Chara out acting as a leader and producing FWIW, but I don't think it matters anymore, the relationship looks toxic or at least feels that way.
 

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That’s not true. Most of the time they get into the offensive zone JD and Nordstrom go to the slot and leave Krejci alone on the perimeter. JD isn’t a puck possession guy anyway. The only guy on that line with any puck presence in the O zone is Krejci.

Since DK is getting paid the amount of money he is and is the anchor of that line, he should be smart enough to play to his line mates strengths instead of expecting them to bend to his. He has the ability and experience to make some tweaks in order to better fit with his teammates. I mean look at Bergeron over the years. Cycle game, up tempo, counter strike, whatever style was needed. He's played with faster guys (Pasta/Seguin) and slower guys (Rex could barely skate by the end, ffs), yet he was able to integrate them in and be effective. For what DK pulls down in salary, he should too.

It's funny because the claim used to be that DK needed two big bodied wings that hit on the forecheck like Lucic and Horton. Yet he looked fine playing a faster game with Pasta and Marchand recently, no? So why is he willing to slightly alter his game for that grouping, but is unable to do it for JDB and others? I mean shit, he even shot a ton more with Marchand and Pasta, and if that doesn't show you the difference in styles he played with, I don't know what to tell you.
 

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Since DK is getting paid the amount of money he is and is the anchor of that line, he should be smart enough to play to his line mates strengths instead of expecting them to bend to his. He has the ability and experience to make some tweaks in order to better fit with his teammates. I mean look at Bergeron over the years. Cycle game, up tempo, counter strike, whatever style was needed. He's played with faster guys (Pasta/Seguin) and slower guys (Rex could barely skate by the end, ffs), yet he was able to integrate them in and be effective. For what DK pulls down in salary, he should too.

It's funny because the claim used to be that DK needed two big bodied wings that hit on the forecheck like Lucic and Horton. Yet he looked fine playing a faster game with Pasta and Marchand recently, no? So why is he willing to slightly alter his game for that grouping, but is unable to do it for JDB and others? I mean ****, he even shot a ton more with Marchand and Pasta, and if that doesn't show you the difference in styles he played with, I don't know what to tell you.

Marchand and Pasta are bonified elite goal scorers with the potential to put up 40 each. JDB and the void on the RW aren't in the same ball park as that. Any center will skill will have better numbers with the goal scorers than the other option
 

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Marchand and Pasta are bonified elite goal scorers with the potential to put up 40 each. JDB and the void on the RW aren't in the same ball park as that. Any center will skill will have better numbers with the goal scorers than the other option

So you agree that DK is only motivated at times based on who he's playing with? Yeah, makes a lot of sense. :laugh:
 

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Since DK is getting paid the amount of money he is and is the anchor of that line, he should be smart enough to play to his line mates strengths instead of expecting them to bend to his. He has the ability and experience to make some tweaks in order to better fit with his teammates. I mean look at Bergeron over the years. Cycle game, up tempo, counter strike, whatever style was needed. He's played with faster guys (Pasta/Seguin) and slower guys (Rex could barely skate by the end, ffs), yet he was able to integrate them in and be effective. For what DK pulls down in salary, he should too.

It's funny because the claim used to be that DK needed two big bodied wings that hit on the forecheck like Lucic and Horton. Yet he looked fine playing a faster game with Pasta and Marchand recently, no? So why is he willing to slightly alter his game for that grouping, but is unable to do it for JDB and others? I mean ****, he even shot a ton more with Marchand and Pasta, and if that doesn't show you the difference in styles he played with, I don't know what to tell you.
Like I’ve said about Debrusk, it looks like he hangs out in the slot and doesn’t support the play much, same with Nordstrom. I wish I could pull examples from games and make a clip but I can’t. I’m curious though, what style of hockey does he need to play to make Nordstrom a top 6 forward?

And why is it Krejci’s fault JD isn’t getting assists, there’s usually 3 other players on the ice besides DK.
 

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So you agree that DK is only motivated at times based on who he's playing with? Yeah, makes a lot of sense. :laugh:

I think he's doing what he can with the garbage the Bruins give him at an older age. If Bergeron gets injured again its good to have another centre who can step up to.
 

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Like I’ve said about Debrusk, it looks like he hangs out in the slot and doesn’t support the play much, same with Nordstrom. I wish I could pull examples from games and make a clip but I can’t. I’m curious though, what style of hockey does he need to play to make Nordstrom a top 6 forward?

And why is it Krejci’s fault JD isn’t getting assists, there’s usually 3 other players on the ice besides DK.

Nordstrom being on any top 6 line is Sweeney's failure to provide enough scoring depth and on Cassidy for playing him there. I don't hold that against DK at all. DK still played 2 games with Pasta and DeBrusk, yet was invisible. Now I personally wouldn't have ditched that line as quickly as Cassidy did, but he clearly seems to think it wasn't going to be successful for some reason.
 

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I think he's doing what he can with the garbage the Bruins give him at an older age. If Bergeron gets injured again its good to have another centre who can step up to.

You and I have been through this a million times. They've given him plenty of good players over the years. Even when he had Lucic/Horton and Lucic/Iginla, he still had these peaks and valleys because it's who he is as a player. Giving him Marchand and Pasta won't fix that. He may look better in his peaks, but the valleys will still come because it's who he is.
 
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You and I have been through this a million times. They've given him plenty of good players over the years. Even when he had Lucic/Horton and Lucic/Iginla, he still had these peaks and valleys because it's who he is as a player. Giving him Marchand and Pasta won't fix that. He may look better in his peaks, but the valleys will still come because it's who he is.

previous regime though, look at the habs 2nd line wingers have 54 points combined skating with Danault who isn't all that great. The Bruins don't have players that can do that right now and thats the stats we need to compete in April.
 

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Nordstrom being on any top 6 line is Sweeney's failure to provide enough scoring depth and on Cassidy for playing him there. I don't hold that against DK at all. DK still played 2 games with Pasta and DeBrusk, yet was invisible. Now I personally wouldn't have ditched that line as quickly as Cassidy did, but he clearly seems to think it wasn't going to be successful for some reason.
They weren’t even together for a full game if I remember right. Cassidy has this weird obsession with playing Debrusk with Krejci even though for whatever reason, it hasn’t worked out that great. Even Claude would have broken up the Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak line to try something different.
 

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And let me be clear about this. I do not hate David Krejci. He frustrates me at times because of the inconsistency and because I know he's capable of being a better player than he is when he's not motivated. But at the end of the day, the team needs him to play at his best if they want to go anywhere. That's who vital he is to the success of this team.

What really frustrates me though isn't DK's uneven play. It's the fans that refuse to admit what everyone in the world can see with their own eyes. He's a game changer when he's motivated and giving a full effort. He's a dog when he's not. And he's simply too good to not make an impact most nights.
 
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You and I have been through this a million times. They've given him plenty of good players over the years. Even when he had Lucic/Horton and Lucic/Iginla, he still had these peaks and valleys because it's who he is as a player. Giving him Marchand and Pasta won't fix that. He may look better in his peaks, but the valleys will still come because it's who he is.
He may have peaks and valleys, but his PPG is pretty much identical to Bergeron’s.
 

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I've been down on Krejci over the past few seasons as much as anyone. I even wanted the Bs to trade him a couple seasons ago because I felt he was not worth the money. My reasons for that were due to his disengaged play in the form of floating a lot, not hustling, disengaged D, and his health. He was not worth $7.25 mil per cap hit. The Bs had to have a better 2nd line center in order to have a chance at the Cup. I felt the same way last season heading into this season. If a trade could be made that Krejci would approve to bring in a better player then do it.

This season I have not felt this good about Krejci's effort and performance since many years ago when he was giving it his all and being effective. The old Krejci has resurfaced this season. He is playing good D for the most part, not floating multiple shifts a game, and is playing smart and engaged hockey. I'm not talking point production, although he is on pace to end the season with a good number of points. It's a damned shame that Krejci is having a great season in terms of all-around game yet his reward is playing on a line that is frequently saddled with a 4th liner and a variety of kids who aren't producing much. It would do wonders for the team and for Krejci's production to have a genuine top-6 scoring winger, which would give the Bs two elite class lines, and would allow for the other players to slot back down into their proper lines. This is not a matter of "evaluating" or "trades are hard" This is a matter of get your shit together if you want to compete for a Cup and figure out a way to trade for help.
 

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Whatever mindless strategy the Bruins have playing Krejci with new wingers nightly or with AHLers won't be successful. Some say hes not trying but I'll say hes trying not to be negative about it
i am not against DK. Read my previous post. all i say is the reasonning of what your are asking has à fundamental of protecting DK point total for i don't know what reason.DK is à minus player with 1 point Per game playing with 88 and 63 excluding Arizonà game. He didn't tear down thé league. Nash did thé same Last year. DK need to figure out a way to production at his usual rythme whoever je play with
 

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That tells you a lot on Bergeron. Défensive load, not playing most of his career with top notch wingers, 4 selkes and atoll managed this type of production.
Got it. So when Bergeron doesn’t play with top 6 wingers, his lack of production isn’t his fault, it’s his wingers, but when DK plays with lesser wings it’s his fault.
 

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I think it's time to move him, get some picks, and let Bruins fans find someone else to blame. Sooner or later in the next 100 years they'll maybe figure out Jacobs isn't a great owner. The hockey world outside the boston bubble knows he's good so you'll find a contender to take him instantly. Krejci could elevate a contender to a cup. I think it's becoming the norm in Bruin land now to chase championship players coaches and GM's out of town these days anyway.

He has an 800+ career games to go on. We know what David Krejci is. I don't think anyone is blaming him. He's not the reason they have no secondary scoring... In fact, I'd argue he is their secondary scoring and does need help. I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement there? Is anyone suggesting he suck it up and make do with Nordstrom?

The offensive inconsistency will be there whether he's playing with DeBrusk/Nordstrom or Pastrnak/Marchand though. People who don't see him checking in and out are oblivious IMO. It doesn't matter who he has played with though out his career, he goes though long stretches were he's barely engaged. Playing with Pastrnak and Marchand might mask those inconsistencies some, but they will still be there.
 
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