Dave Hakstol Part III

[Striiker]

Guys, don't forget, CORSI is useless, but +/- is a great way to judge players!

Dishonest people just can't help themselves. The bias is out of control.

 

[FlyersMania2]

Meh, it's like saying Dale Weise has 2 assists, is a +2 in 1 game and now should play every game.

A player can look good while not getting points. I think him and even Lindblom have looked good but just missing getting points.

I will agree in a sense on Patrick who has looked invisible in 3 1/2 games.

Oh yeah it makes perfect sense for a $5 million dollar forward to not be judged on producing offense

 

[Beef Invictus]

The problems have been Provorov, Patrick, Konecny, & Lindblom. 4 guys they are counting on as their core & have been terrible.

It's true that they haven't carried the dregs that Hakstol prefers, as we've grown accustomed to, but all the players listed are dwarfed by MacDongle and Hakstol's ceaseless lust for him.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Firing Hasktol won't solve anything unless you move out some of the dead weight as well.

Wrong.

 

[FlyersMania2]

Wrong.

 

[Striiker]

Konecny has not been terrible. Hitting the posts and not scoring does not equal being terrible.

Yeah, Konecny hasn't been bad at all, he's just been unlucky.

He's playing well and all these post hits will start going in at some point.

 

[hatcher]

Konecny isnt even close to the player he was last year and now he wont hit no one either. Off the rush or nothing.

 

[FlyersMania2]

Konecny isnt even close to the player he was last year and now he wont hit no one either. Off the rush or nothing.

4 games into the season...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Konecny isnt even close to the player he was last year and now he wont hit no one either. Off the rush or nothing.

He's exactly the player he was last year. That's readily evident just by watching him.


Did you miss when he forced his way past defenders to create a breakaway that shouldn't have existed? He conjured it out of thin air.

 

[hatcher]

4 games into the season...

Good teams start fast and go. You guys and the excuses for shit play is crazy. How bout that V and those 5 points against a young team that doesnt back check hahahahaha. Standards in life should be very high and the flyers its very low.

 

[hatcher]

He's exactly the player he was last year. That's readily evident just by watching him.


Did you miss when he forced his way past defenders to create a breakaway that shouldn't have existed? He conjured it out of thin air.

Off the rush but nothing else and fly by's in the dzone cheating the game. easy to see.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It's true that they haven't carried the dregs that Hakstol prefers, as we've grown accustomed to, but all the players listed are dwarfed by MacDongle and Hakstol's ceaseless lust for him.

Is it wrong to call out the 2nd line center for playing 4 games with no points and being -5?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Good teams start fast and go. You guys and the excuses for **** play is crazy. How bout that V and those 5 points against a young team that doesnt back check hahahahaha. Standards in life should be very high and the flyers its very low.

So when they lose it's bad, and when they win it's also bad.

 

[deadhead]

Theoretically, a new coach could bench MacDonald and Lehtera, or at least not use them as everyday players.

For who?
A new coach can't dictate to Hextall who he should call up, so who on the current roster would replace them?
Weal? Folin?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Is it wrong to call out the 2nd line center for playing 4 games with no points and being -5?

He's had solid play through that, and a good amount of bad luck. I'm not worried yet. He's certainly nowhere near the issue that Mac manages to single handedly be in large part because Hakstol overuses him due to his status as a garbage coach.


I remember when people used similar reasoning while ignoring the eye test to claim TK was absolutely not a top-9 forward, right before he became a great top liner.

 

[Beef Invictus]

For who?
A new coach can't dictate to Hextall who he should call up, so who on the current roster would replace them?
Weal? Folin?

Yes, in fact a coach can say "I'm not going to use this player give me this other guy."

That happens.


Remember last year when Hextall gave Hak Sanheim, and Hak elected not to use him so Hak sent him down and let Hak use someone else?

 

[Striiker]

The "Hak has no other choice but to use MacDonald" excuse completely falls apart when you see him getting the 2nd most time of any defensemen.

Obviously he's used because he's highly valued by the coach. That's not even debatable.

 

[FlyersMania2]

Good teams start fast and go. You guys and the excuses for **** play is crazy. How bout that V and those 5 points against a young team that doesnt back check hahahahaha. Standards in life should be very high and the flyers its very low.

You're overreacting about Konecny when you use measurement terms such as "isnt even close to the player he was last year" as though 4 games is any sort of indication of prediction for a player's productivity for an entire season. It is 100% by all definitions an overreaction.

 

[Striiker]

You're overreacting about Konecny when you use measurement terms such as "isnt even close to the player he was last year" as though 4 games is any sort of indication of prediction for a player's productivity for an entire season. It is 100% by all definitions an overreaction.

And that doesn't even take into account the incorrect evaluation.

IF he was playing bad (which he isn't), it would be an overreaction, but overreacting to something that isn't even happening? Dumb as hell

 

[deadhead]

times for defensemen:
Provorov ES 16:58 PP 2:26 PK 4:44
Ghost ES 15:18 PP 5:33
AMac ES 15:05 PK 3:24
Hagg ES 14:43 PK 2:16
Gudas ES 13:35 PK 3:51
Sanheim ES 13:54 PP 1:09 PK 1:16

STs lower ES, not just b/c the coach wants to limit total minutes, but simply b/c when you're on the PP or PK, you're not going to be on an ES shift for 2-3 minutes, and in a game with lots of penalties, the top two ES guys will play less if they're on a lot of ST shifts.

 

[FatTugboatFlahr]

 

[deadhead]

TK has a tendency to press when he's on a cold streak, and he's an emotional player who loses focus at times, especially when he's struggling, which is common in young players. So sitting him for a few minutes to let him calm down and collect himself isn't an unusual strategy.

It's a shame Patrick got hurt, because I think that line was starting to develop some chemistry, Lindblom and Patrick aren't as polished as Couts and Giroux, but they're faster, more athletic and more aggressive, and that fits TK's style of play. I think if Patrick isn't seriously hurt, a couple weeks of practice/games could get them to jell.

 

[FlyersMania2]

times for defensemen:
Provorov ES 16:58 PP 2:26 PK 4:44
Ghost ES 15:18 PP 5:33
AMac ES 15:05 PK 3:24
Hagg ES 14:43 PK 2:16
Gudas ES 13:35 PK 3:51
Sanheim ES 13:54 PP 1:09 PK 1:16

STs lower ES, not just b/c the coach wants to limit total minutes, but simply b/c when you're on the PP or PK, you're not going to be on an ES shift for 2-3 minutes, and in a game with lots of penalties, the top two ES guys will play less if they're on a lot of ST shifts.

Are you giving us the 4 game stats? Based on the 2017 - 2018 season, AMac's ES TOI average was higher than Ghost's. We all understand why Ghost might have more total TOI (PP and all) but what everyone here is failing to agree with, as we all should, is that MacDonald be the next "guy" after Provorov for ES play. In no reasonable universe should MacDonald be given number 2 minutes. NONE

 

[deadhead]

AMac played 9 mores seconds at ES than Ghost last year, because Ghost was playing 3:36 on the PP.
This year Ghost is slightly ahead, primarily because the early games have been penalty filled.
Ghost is obviously #2, his ES is reduced only because he spends so much time on PP1.

The ES different between the bottom four D-men isn't that great and will probably shrink as Sanheim settles in.

Notice Sanheim is playing on both the PP2 and PK, that suggests he's being groomed for a larger role as the season progresses, especially the PK, since if they were to bring up Myers or Friedman at some point, it's doubtful they'd play on the PK or PP until they were comfortable at ES. So they would need 4 other D-men to play PK, and Sanheim would have to be one of them.

 

[FlyersMania2]

In the course of 82 games, 9 seconds per game ends up being 12 and half extra minutes. Is Andrew MacDonald 12.3 minutes of play time better than Ghost?

No.

For someone who studies "advanced stats" of these games - you know better than anyone else that AMac is on the ice for more than 2 goals against per 60 minutes or how many scoring chances happen when he's on the ice.

When it works for you use small numbers - or basically any stat that can be manipulated towards your narrative.