Dave Cameron

[Mobiandi]

Almost another game pissed away because of our PP.

We have Gaudreau, Bennett, Monahan, Hamilton, Gio, Tkachuk, Jankowski, Brodie, Ferland so it's not like we have a bunch of jabronis out there. With that in mind, Versteeg, while a RHS PP specialist, shouldn't be the glue that held it together.

I get why GG may be hesitant to fire him because they're friends (at least I think they are) but even he is unhappy with our special teams. It's not like we have a small sample size either

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[FlamerForLife]

He needs to duck off.

 

[Mr Snrub]

I'm surprised he still has a job. We have nothing to lose by firing him.

EDIT: I want to cut Cameron some slack considering that we had a good power play last season, but this most recent stretch has been awful. Hope things fall into place.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Yeah 5 on 5 we are pretty deadly. Need special teams to work.

 

[Lunatik]

I get why GG may be hesitant to fire him because they're friends (at least I think they are) but even he is unhappy with our special teams. It's not like we have a small sample size either

I don't know of their paths crossing before Calgary, I think this was Treliving's hire to have a head coach waiting in the wings if Gulutzan didn't last. It seems to be the Flames MO to have the organization choose one of the assistant coaches, going back as far as Playfair getting the assistant job to Darryl Sutter.

 

[Mobiandi]

I don't know of their paths crossing before Calgary, I think this was Treliving's hire to have a head coach waiting in the wings if Gulutzan didn't last. It seems to be the Flames MO to have the organization choose one of the assistant coaches, going back as far as Playfair getting the assistant job to Darryl Sutter.

Yeah they may not have actually worked together before. Thought I read something about that when he was hired. But looks like he was a Gulutzan hire

"With Dave, one of the things I was looking for in that box is another head coach that's been through the rigors of the NHL as a head guy in a Canadian market," Flames coach Glen Gulutzan said. "That was a big plus. Just his experience; he's coached for over 20 years. He's coached in Ottawa. There was merit in that. Having another guy that's been through that ...

"I wanted that experience. I wanted a guy who has been in my shoes, a guy who can challenge you on certain things that sometimes as coaches you get bullheaded and you get going in your own way. You want somebody there to say, 'Hey, hey ... this is how it's worked better for me.' That was an important thing to have Dave next to me on that bench. It gives you a lot of experience."

“It’s not easy … I lived it,” said Gulutzan, who was the bench boss for the Dallas Stars for two seasons and landed as an assistant with the Vancouver Canucks shortly after losing his gig in the Big D. “But the one thing about Dave Cameron — and you guys will all find out — is he’s one of heck of a human being. I probably talked to 20 people about Dave Cameron and the common theme was great coach, great communicator, unbelievable person, rock solid … And I know, with those qualities, you come in as an assistant and you take that role.”

Flames hire former Senators head coach Dave Cameron as assistant

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

The way I remember it was Gully was allowed to pick some names of candidates he might want, then the Flames management (including Gully) interviewed them.

 

[King In The North]

There's some nice passing to gain entry but the nice stops there. It seems like they don't really know what to do in the Ozone and end up just being too pass happy. And FFS, a 4 min pp that only results in a SHG?

Gully should throw a stick at Cameron.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Can anyone confirm that Cameron IS indeed actually in charge of the PP. I know we debated this before, but I don’t remember if anything was actually confirmed.

But yes, our PP is dreadful.

 

[Anglesmith]

There's some nice passing to gain entry but the nice stops there. It seems like they don't really know what to do in the Ozone and end up just being too pass happy. And FFS, a 4 min pp that only results in a SHG?

Gully should throw a stick at Cameron.

They have Gaudreau on the left wing and it looks like they're trying to model their PP in a similar way to the Leafs' PP, where Nylander comes down the right wing and looks for either a shot or a seam pass to Matthews. But a) we have no right-hand shot on the right wing and b) that seam pass is never open in the same way.

We have managed to get more shots through to the goal since Gio joined the unit, but we don't have the numbers at the net to recover the rebounds most of the time. Last night in particular, we were actually pretty effective during the part of the game I watched, but every rebound went right into the skates of our one guy in front, and while he tried to find it, one of the multiple defencemen found it and cleared it out. You need to outnumber guys on the PP.

 

[Master Bill]

They have Gaudreau on the left wing and it looks like they're trying to model their PP in a similar way to the Leafs' PP, where Nylander comes down the right wing and looks for either a shot or a seam pass to Matthews. But a) we have no right-hand shot on the right wing and b) that seam pass is never open in the same way.

We have managed to get more shots through to the goal since Gio joined the unit, but we don't have the numbers at the net to recover the rebounds most of the time. Last night in particular, we were actually pretty effective during the part of the game I watched, but every rebound went right into the skates of our one guy in front, and while he tried to find it, one of the multiple defencemen found it and cleared it out. You need to outnumber guys on the PP.

Yeah, I can also recall several plays where our forwards moved off to the side of the net instead of waiting in front. Good rebound chances missed there

 

[JPeeper]

EDIT: I want to cut Cameron some slack considering that we had a good power play last season, but this most recent stretch has been awful. Hope things fall into place.

This is a fallacy and everyone is remembering it wrong. The PP was equally was terrible last year as it is this year. The only reason why it kept improving was because it had a really good 20 game stretch where mostly the 2nd unit was scoring all the goals. And Monahan beasting in the playoffs made it effective.

Finally the coaches have moved the personnel around for the PP, but it makes no difference when the strategy is still the same and it's a terrible strategy. Gaudreau shooting for rebounds off the half wall? When we have this much talent out there? Look what San Jose used to do, they moved the puck extremely fast and effectively because they had 5 of their best guys out there. Flames are putting their 5 best guys out now, but barely move the puck, either Gaudreau stick handles with it, or the past it back between the top 3 guys. It's stupid. It's so easy for teams to defend when the puck is never being moved. Move the puck quickly and you get the defenders moving, and heres a surprise, when you get defenders moving and have 1 extra guy out there eventually he'll be all alone with a grade A scoring chance.

Dave Cameron thinks shooting through 6 people will not only get the puck to the net, but will force an easy rebound every time.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

And Monahan beasting in the playoffs made it effective.

Not even that.

Facing an AHL defense in the playoffs made it seem effective. The Ducks had injuries to Lindholm, Fowler, and others key guys.

When we have this much talent out there? Look what San Jose used to do, they moved the puck extremely fast and effectively because they had 5 of their best guys out there. Flames are putting their 5 best guys out now, but barely move the puck, either Gaudreau stick handles with it, or the past it back between the top 3 guys. It's stupid. It's so easy for teams to defend when the puck is never being moved.

I think it would be very interesting to see what element the dynamic and mobile Sam Bennett could bring in place of the stationary and one-dimensional Monahan on that unit. Monahan could also capitalize against second PK units.

 

[DFF]

Not even that.

Facing an AHL defense in the playoffs made it seem effective. The Ducks had injuries to Lindholm, Fowler, and others key guys.



I think it would be very interesting to see what element the dynamic and mobile Sam Bennett could bring in place of the stationary and one-dimensional Monahan on that unit. Monahan could also capitalize against second PK units.

LOL your hate for Monahan is second to none.

And your love for Bennett is misplaced. Granted, he has been playing better but dude's scoring ability is no where close to the hype you are projecting.

At best, he looks better than he produces

But I do agree, that GG needs to adapt and make changes when things are not working instead of throwing the same thing out there like a moron

 

[Mobiandi]

0 for 3 plus a PP with 30ish seconds.

 

[Lunatik]

0 for 3 plus a PP with 30ish seconds.

So, 0 for 4

 

[JPeeper]

Can this muppet be fired already?

How in the hell does this clown have a job. How can someone be this terrible at their job and not be fired? Blows my mind that Flames management can't see what a useless turd this guy is.

Has cost us how many games now because the powerplay is a complete gong show. The strategy is just stupid, as soon they gain the zone they dump it to the d-man, EVERY TIME. Half the time the d-man isn't even there so they just turn it over because that is what the coaching staff wants, it's f***ing Pejorative Slured. No player movement, barely any puck movement, 7 man screens in front of the net so no pucks ever get through. Yeah we've scored the occasional powerplay goal, based on complete luck (goes through like 8 people) or from a stupidly good tip from Tkachuk.

f***ing dreadful.

If this dillweed is still employed for the next game I go to I am bringing a pie beforehand and staying late after the game to throw it in this guys face, f*** this guy.

And Gulutzan deserves equal blame for the power play being dog shit, he should be telling Cameron to f*** off and go home and devise his own plan for the power play.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Can anyone confirm that Cameron IS indeed actually in charge of the PP. I know we debated this before, but I don’t remember if anything was actually confirmed.

But yes, our PP is dreadful.

I'm going to bump this, due to a lack of any evidence presented on the matter.

 

[Fig]

I'm going to bump this, due to a lack of any evidence presented on the matter.

Cameron working at improving Flames' power play

Does this count? It's an article from October 2016 discussing how Cameron was working at improving the Flame's power play.

 

[Calculon]

From when they were hired:

Although the Senators had one of the NHL’s worst power-play percentages during the 2015-16 campaign, Cameron will work with the man-advantage unit in Calgary.

Jerrard, meanwhile, is tasked with turning around a penalty-kill that has — statistically speaking — nowhere to go but up.

Flames hire former Senators head coach Dave Cameron as assistant

 

[Ace Rimmer]

Cameron working at improving Flames' power play

Does this count? It's an article from October 2016 discussing how Cameron was working at improving the Flame's power play.

Yes, and it saddens me to see none of the things he talks about being implemented. Either he's all talk (unlikely) or our PP group can't implement it (unlikely).

Still, thanks guys. Wanted to be sure it wasn't just a HFBoards meme.

 

[The Gnome]

Wrong Thread

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Yeah I think Gully deserves at least to the end of the season. Cameron has to go. Gaudreau should be beating people 1-on-1 to break down the other teams coverage. He just isn’t aggressive at all on the PP and I blame the coach. There is no creativity. Predictability is easy defend.

 

[Bounces R Way]

He is costing them a divisional berth at this point. The entries are ok but I hate everything else about the PP. No one is moving, it's like the players are stapled to their assigned spots, they don't even respond and out man the pkers when they put on pressure. I'd have Gaudreau closer to the goal line where he has more options to make a move on the net or make a touch pass to the slot. The personnel is fine, though I'd have Hamilton out there for his one time threat on the left half boards. Most successful PPs put their best shooters there. Monahan should be high slot and either Tkachuk or Backlund in front of the net/opposite corner.

I would also like to see more drives to net right after the entry, why waste a bunch of time setting up something that isn't working anyway.

 

[Ace Rimmer]

In the vein of "costing them points" I'd love to see (but am to lazy to produce) stats counting the number of times the team went 0-for on the powerplay and lost by a goal. A PPG in two the last three games could have resulted in two additional points in the standings as the games would not have gone to OT.