Datsyuk/Ovechkin vs Fedorov/Bure

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  1. the_fan Registered User

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    So how about it? Can't go wrong with either duo obviously.
     
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    Ovechkin

    Fedorov
    Bure
    Datsyuk

    its damn close I think but the only clear separation I could determine is that Ovechkin is the best while the other 3 are grouped up pretty close together. So Datsyuk/Ovechkin.
     
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    fedorov/bure ainec for me

    no thanks to mr. cant get past the 2nd round
     
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    Gimme Fedorov and Bure.
     
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    Ovechkin
    Fedorov/Datsyuk
    Bure

    Ovechkin and Datsyuk.
     
  6. GoJetsGo55 Registered User

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    All in their prime playing 2v2.....give me Ovechkin/Datsyuk every time.
     
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    Give me Fedorov Bure AINEC.

    Bure a 3 time scoring title winner, including 2 of them in the mist of the dead puck era, smoking the 2nd place, and almost scoring 60 goals in a time when it's not even easy to score 40.

    Fedorov, the only player in NHL history to win a Art Ross and Frank J Selke award in one year.
     
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    Statistical comparison between Datsyuk and Fedorov and Bure, since I think it's quite apparent Ovechkin is the best player here.

    Bolded are names specified players finished ahead of in hart or point finishes.


    Pavel Datsyuk
    Awards
    3 Selke

    Hart finishes: 3, 9, 10, 14, 20, 21

    Selke finishes: 3, 3, 3, 5, 9, 13


    Hart competition
    2007-08: Ovechkin, Malkin, iginla, Lidstrom, Brodeur, Nabokov, Kovalev, Zetterberg
    2008-09: Ovechkin, Malkin, Mason, Parise, Crosby
    2012-13: Ovechkin, Crosby, Tavares, Toews, Bobrovsky, Kane, Getzlaf, Stamkos, St. Louis


    Points
    2007-08 NHL 97 (4th)Competition: Oveckin, Malkin, Iginla, Thornton, Lecavelier
    2008-09 NHL 97 (4th) Malkin, Ovechkin, Crosby, Parise, Kovalchuk
    2012-13 NHL 49 (10th)

    PPG
    2007-08 NHL 1.18 (8th)
    2008-09 NHL 1.20 (5th)
    2014-15 NHL 1.03 (6th)
    Career NHL 0.96 (75th)

    Assists
    2005-06 NHL 59 (9th)
    2006-07 NHL 60 (8th)
    2007-08 NHL 66 (2nd)
    2008-09 NHL 65 (5th)
    2012-13 NHL 34 (8th)
    Career NHL 604 (80th)

    APG
    2005-06 NHL 0.79 (9th)
    2006-07 NHL 0.76 (10th)
    2007-08 NHL 0.80 (4th)
    2008-09 NHL 0.80 (5th)
    2011-12 NHL 0.69 (6th)
    Career NHL 0.63 (44th)



    Sergei Fedorov
    Hart
    Pearson
    2 Selke

    Hart finishes: 5, 9, 19

    Hart Competition
    1993-94: Hasek, Vanbiesbrouck, Gilmour, Roy, Bourque

    1995-96: Lemieux, Messier, Lindros, Jagr, Sakic

    Selke finishes: 2, 4, 4, 8, 8, 9, 12, 19, 21, 32, 64


    Points
    1993-94 NHL 120 (2nd) Gretzky, Oates, Gilmour, Roenick, Recchi
    1995-96 NHL 107 (9th)

    PPG
    1993-94 NHL 1.46 (4th)
    1994-95 NHL 1.19 (9th)
    1995-96 NHL 1.37 (7th)



    Pavel Bure

    Awards
    3 Richards

    Hart finishes: 3, 9, 12

    Hart Competition
    1999-00: Pronger, Jagr, Kolzig, Nolan, Recchi


    Points
    1993-94 NHL 107 (5th) Gretzky, Fedorov, Oates, Gilmour, Recchi
    1997-98 NHL 90 (3rd) Jagr, Forsberg, Gretzky, Leclair, Francis
    1999-00 NHL 94 (2nd) Jagr, Recchi, Kariya, Selanne, Amonte
    2000-01 NHL 92 (7th)

    PPG
    1993-94 NHL 1.41 (7th)
    1997-98 NHL 1.10 (7th)
    1999-00 NHL 1.27 (3rd)
    2001-02 NHL 1.01 (8th)

    Goals
    1992-93 NHL 60 (5th)
    1993-94 NHL 60 (1st)
    1997-98 NHL 51 (3rd)
    1999-00 NHL 58 (1st)
    2000-01 NHL 59 (1st)

    GPG
    1992-93 NHL 0.72 (6th)
    1993-94 NHL 0.79 (2nd)
    1997-98 NHL 0.62 (3rd)
    1999-00 NHL 0.78 (1st)
    2000-01 NHL 0.72 (2nd)
    2001-02 NHL 0.50 (7th)


    Ovechkin
    Fedorov
    Datysuk
    Bure


    My vote goes to the Ovechkin, Datsyuk duo
     
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    Fedorov and Bure
     
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    I've got
    Ovi

    Feds/dats (even)
    Bure

    Goes to ovi and dats
     
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    Fedorov > everyone
     
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    Fedorov-Bure might be able to play complete high end hockey at the fastest pace of any duo in history.

    Ovechkin-Datsyuk might be most versatile duo possible, with prime Ovechkin just being able to overpower everything while keeping the puck and having a laser of a shot and Datsyuk being able to cover defensively and draw tons of players while making plays happen
     
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    Went back and looked for fun. only did east cause west didnt have bad teams

    99-00
    Against 4 worst (ATL,TBL,NYI,BOS)
    17GP 19G 10A 1.71PPG

    Against 4 Best (PHI,TOR,WAS,NJ)
    14GP 9G 2A .79PPG

    00-01
    Against 4 Worst (ATL,TBL,NYI,MON)
    18GP 17G 8A 1.39PPG

    Against 4 Best (OTT,NJ,BUFF,PHI)
    16GP 11G 9A 1.25PPG

    So atleast in 99-00 Bure was feasting on the bottom dwellars and expansion team. He did better in 00-01 and yes I know it was Bure and 17 guys named sally. One thing that people should know that may not have seen him play a lot is if he didnt score he was utterly useless. Ovi catches crap for that but bure literally stood at center ice and did nothing else. was absolutely amazed how many times I saw this when he came to verizon center. ovi atleast stick waves in the defensive zone lol
     
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    looked at Ovis 65 season also

    Against 4 Worst (ATL,TBL,NYI,TOR)
    24GP 17G 13A 1.25PPG

    Against 5 Best (MON,PITT,NJ,OTT,CAR) Ott Car tied in wins
    32GP 22G 17A 1.22PPG

    He also had 13 more goals then 2nd place Kovalchuk
     
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    Fedorov and Bure
     
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    The speed of Fedorov and Bure would kill Ovie/Dats
     
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    Fedorov and Bure.
     
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    Wait, what?

    So now in this new revisionist history here at HF, Ovechkin is/was not a bullet on the ice.
     
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    Ovi and Datsyuk played together for Russia NT and they were good, but not exactly great.

    Fedorov and Bure played together at the WJC and were unstoppable (ok, there was some guy named Mogilny too). Also, iirc, played some games for NT before the 1996 WC, but I can't remember how well they did there.
     
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    Ovechkin was a more explosive skater than both and would just run them over anyway.
     
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    3 rockets is nice, but Ovechkin has 6. Getting 2 rockets in the DPE means nothing extra, all of his competition was playing in the same situation. He was also a useless cherry picker and that wasn't even his peak/prime so it's irrelevant.

    That's never actually happened in NHL history.
     
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    Fedorov and Bure.
     
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    Ovechkin > Bure in pretty much every respect (except PKing, lol), and Bure was amazing.

    Datsyuk's prime >= Fedorov's, but Fedorov's postseason performances are legendary. It's a little murky here.
     
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    Fedorov and Bure.

    Really a shame the NHL screwed up or this would have actually been a line in Detroit since they turned the first draft card in on Bure in the legendary 89 draft so they should have had him too.... :shakehead

    I would rank them Ovie, Fedorov, Bure Datsyuk in that order. I think it is an interesting question, but I really value Fedorov and Bure a great deal.

    In any event, could not disagree more about Fedorov and Datsyuk as some sort of equal comparable. Fedorov was a better player than Datsyuk, significantly so come winning time in the post-season where he was always a pillar of strength whereas Datsyuk struggled at times.

    Ovie wasn't either of these two in the skating department and I love Ovie. You are talking about easily two of the top five skaters of all-time when you talk Bure and Fedorov.
     
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    Ovie>federov>=datsyuk=bure

    The latter three are really close, with ovie being slightly ahead of em. I take ovenchicken and Datsyuk.
     

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