Player Discussion Darnell Nurse - To bridge or not to bridge, that is the question.

[Bryanbryoil]

The Pouliot buyout was likely an inevitability. It didn't need to happen last summer, but it would have needed to happen this summer. The real problem with buying Pouliot last summer opposed to this summer is that we're now going to have that buy-out for an extra season. If we bought him out this summer we'd have had 1.3M in dead space this season and next. But because we bought him out last season it extends an extra season. And we didn't use the savings last season so it was a complete waste.

The Gryba buy-out is completely inexplicable. He could have just been buried in the minors this season and have cost the team nothing in terms of cap hit. Now for some crazy reason we're stuck with 300K in penalties this season and next. All to save 300K in cash? That doesn't make any sense.

Agreed, the Pouliot buyout is biting us in the butt. The Gryba buyout is nothing but a cash grab by Katz. There is no way that you're going to tell me that Chia and co. wanted to have $300K less to play with.

It makes me wonder if they thought that they could move Lucic out but were dead wrong about it or it is still in the works.

 

[Spawn]

Agreed, the Pouliot buyout is biting us in the butt. The Gryba buyout is nothing but a cash grab by Katz. There is no way that you're going to tell me that Chia and co. wanted to have $300K less to play with.

I'm not even sure the cash grab thing makes much sense... Katz has shown no qualms in spending dollars. He paid Mark Fayne $7M to play in the minors over the past 2 seasons. In the grand scheme of a billionaire owner, it would be bizarre to penny pinch on this particular case, but basically no where else ever when it comes to paying players on this roster.

Not to say I have a better reason though. It makes no sense to me. I think the reason that Chia gave when it happened was they wanted to give him a chance with another organization? But eh... that also seems ridiculous. To cost your team 300K in cap space as a favour to a player who is lucky enough to even have had a one way deal in the first place.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

I'm not even sure the cash grab thing makes much sense... Katz has shown no qualms in spending dollars. He paid Mark Fayne $7M to play in the minors over the past 2 seasons. In the grand scheme of a billionaire owner, it would be bizarre to penny pinch on this particular case, but basically no where else ever when it comes to paying players on this roster.

Not to say I have a better reason though. It makes no sense to me. I think the reason that Chia gave when it happened was they wanted to give him a chance with another organization? But eh... that also seems ridiculous. To cost your team 300K in cap space as a favour to a player who is lucky enough to even have had a one way deal in the first place.

That's just it, we could've retained a little if need be and just be on the hook for 1 season.

 

[Raab]

I'm not even sure the cash grab thing makes much sense... Katz has shown no qualms in spending dollars. He paid Mark Fayne $7M to play in the minors over the past 2 seasons. In the grand scheme of a billionaire owner, it would be bizarre to penny pinch on this particular case, but basically no where else ever when it comes to paying players on this roster.

Not to say I have a better reason though. It makes no sense to me. I think the reason that Chia gave when it happened was they wanted to give him a chance with another organization? But eh... that also seems ridiculous. To cost your team 300K in cap space as a favour to a player who is lucky enough to even have had a one way deal in the first place.

Well it could be argued the Eberle deal, and Pouliot buy out were penny pinching as well. No need for those deals to happen at the time. They'll be saving roughly 11.5M in salary over this season and last by making those moves.

 

[joestevens29]

That makes the buyouts all the more puzzling. $1.633 million in dead cap, that's enough to extend Nurse at $5 million and add a cheap 14th forward.

Even if we ignore the Pouliot buyout, the $300K buyout of Gryba was beyond horrendous.

Perfect we don’t need to extend nurse at 5 mil

 

[joestevens29]

Well it could be argued the Eberle deal, and Pouliot buy out were penny pinching as well. No need for those deals to happen at the time. They'll be saving roughly 11.5M in salary over this season and last by making those moves.

Lol, still a cap team we ain’t saving any dollars

 

[Sempiternal]

I don't think this is up for debate since there isn't cap space for a long term deal.

 

[Cypress]

It's possible Chia's working on some moves to open up space for a longer term deal. A fairly minor move like Kassian for a pick/prospect opens up the space to sign nurse to the 5.5 he probably wants.

 

[Spawn]

Lol, still a cap team we ain’t saving any dollars

Yeah, the argument doesn't make a tonne of sense except for with Gryba. Because the Oilers are saving some real dollars on a guy who potentially wasn't even going to be in the lineup in the AHL.

But Eberle, Pouliot... we've replaced those dollars with other dollars. Although I guess you could argue we didn't replace those dollars last year. So maybe it was a short term cash saving move for the ownership knowing that the team would be spending every dollar in the next few years. Considering the optics of the team last summer though, with the team looking like a contender to a lot of people in and out of the organization saving dollars at that point wouldn't have made much sense.

 

[48g90a138pts]

As much as I love Nurse he hasn't proved to be a $5-5.5mil AAV player yet. He and his agent might be chasing it but it's not going to happen. Even if the Oilers had the cap room.

A year or two from now, ya he'll be worth it, I'm betting on it. But there's no room atm for that deal anyways. Darnell might as well get that bridge deal over and done with, he'll get paid what he deserves.

2yrs @ $6mil/$3milAAV is a reasonable offer.

 

[shoop]

As much as I love Nurse he hasn't proved to be a $5-5.5mil AAV player yet. He and his agent might be chasing it but it's not going to happen. Even if the Oilers had the cap room.

A year or two from now, ya he'll be worth it, I'm betting on it. But there's no room atm for that deal anyways. Darnell might as well get that bridge deal over and done with, he'll get paid what he deserves.

Nurse will hopefully be worth $5M ~ $5.5M on a long term deal. He sure isn't now. This is the situation bridge deals exist for.

 

[Mr Positive]

I don't think this is up for debate since there isn't cap space for a long term deal.

yes there is, just not a 7-8 year deal.

 

[MettleMcOiler]

Can someone tell me the difference between Seth Jones and Nurse?
And tell me how Nurse earns the same type of contract without putting the same amount of offence? Paying 5.5M+ for 1 good year 25+point LD who got half his points playing with McDavid. It doesn't make any sense to me. Am I the only one who thinks this?

 

[McShogun99]

Nurse shouldn’t be making more then Klefbom or Larsson who are both better defenceman then Nurse. Nurse has the physical tools to be a top pairing D, he just doesn’t have the toolbox.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Oilers can actually do a $4.975 Million x 8 year deal with Nurse which essentially uses all their cap space and requires them to go with a 22 man roster all season... but they would have all their key dmen locked up for years and essentially wouldn't have to worry about dmen contracts again until 2021/2022. Not a bad solution really... especially with the rising cap each year and no reason to believe that won't continue.

Of course if Nurse wants more than that long term then it won't work without trades occurring to free up cap space BUT I think that $4.975 million would be a fair deal and a line in the sand that Chia should stick to.

Next summer they have Talbot/Koskinen to re-sign as well as Puljujarvi/Rieder/Aberg/Rattie/Khaira so assuming some of those players have good seasons, there's enough there to worry about so locking up Nurse now long term would be a solid move imo.

 

[snipes]

Bridge 100 percent.

 

[Hemsky4pm2]

Chiarelli should be looking for 2 x 2.75M AAV. This is a situation where I'd personally like to see the Oilers use the leverage afforded them in the CBA.

 

[McDaddy]

Did you guys know happy hour ar cactus is 9pm to close molnday thru saturday though? Jeeze louise

 

[Louis Cypher]

As much as I love Nurse he hasn't proved to be a $5-5.5mil AAV player yet. He and his agent might be chasing it but it's not going to happen. Even if the Oilers had the cap room.

A year or two from now, ya he'll be worth it, I'm betting on it. But there's no room atm for that deal anyways. Darnell might as well get that bridge deal over and done with, he'll get paid what he deserves.

2yrs @ $6mil/$3milAAV is a reasonable offer.

For all we know there was a deal to replace those cap savings but it didn't go through.

With Gryba maybe he's not good in the locker room and they want him out of the minors.

 

[Senor Catface]

Did you guys know happy hour ar cactus is 9pm to close molnday thru saturday though? Jeeze louise

 

[PaPaDee]

For all we know there was a deal to replace those cap savings but it didn't go through.

With Gryba maybe he's not good in the locker room and they want him out of the minors.

Gryba has always demonstrated leadership qualities, so I don’t buy that.

I think it’s just a case of Chia having a soft spot for a gritty, hard nose Dman and wanting to give him another NHL opportunity when it became apparent he wasn’t getting that here.

 

[PaPaDee]

Oilers can actually do a $4.975 Million x 8 year deal with Nurse which essentially uses all their cap space and requires them to go with a 22 man roster all season... but they would have all their key dmen locked up for years and essentially wouldn't have to worry about dmen contracts again until 2021/2022. Not a bad solution really... especially with the rising cap each year and no reason to believe that won't continue.

Of course if Nurse wants more than that long term then it won't work without trades occurring to free up cap space BUT I think that $4.975 million would be a fair deal and a line in the sand that Chia should stick to.

Next summer they have Talbot/Koskinen to re-sign as well as Puljujarvi/Rieder/Aberg/Rattie/Khaira so assuming some of those players have good seasons, there's enough there to worry about so locking up Nurse now long term would be a solid move imo.

Unless there’s other deals to send out cap, that would be a terrible move. We wouldn’t be able to have a full roster and if there were any injuries we’d be screwed.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

How many oilerz does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Six.....million....dollars...

 

[nabob]

Well it could be argued the Eberle deal, and Pouliot buy out were penny pinching as well. No need for those deals to happen at the time. They'll be saving roughly 11.5M in salary over this season and last by making those moves.

Eberle and Pouliot were dealt because they were way underperforming for their contracts and were not having any positive effect on the team.

 

[McDaddy]

Whoops. Have we signed Nurse yet?