Player Discussion Danton Heinen III

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  1. BruinDust

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    We've agreed before that Heinen's skill-set (well minus the face-off part) should lend itself well to playing center. But they've shown no inclination to use him there. His skill-set to me should also lend itself to being a solid penalty killer, and they've shown no inclination to use him in that role either. I can only assume the coaches and management in this case don't see something that we believe we are seeing in his game.
     
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    Hopefully the Bruins are smart enough this time around not to make a **** trade with Heinen. Let the kid play through it, worse case scenario he's a very serviceable third liner that can play up and down the lineup.

    The thing that kills me with the Bruins is why don't they try him on the PK? They did the same thing not trying Smith there. It would enhance his value and make him get more involved. He's a very heady and smart player, use him there.
     
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    I wouldn't say the stats are his only negative....I don't really think he's done much at all, to be honest. I don't really see him being tremendously effective in the areas you mentioned.

    Maybe he's not terrible on the wall or in the corners, but given his ice time (until recently) it certainly wasn't good enough to make up for his lack of production on the score sheet IMO.

    If we're going to chalk this up to a "Sophomore slump", I'm also going to suggest that it may be "flash in the pan" syndrome.
     
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    and Senyshyn was a 1st rd pick...so clearly that means the Bruins would be selling low if they traded him for Gaudreau...right?
     
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    In this scenario Heinen is the Gaudreau?

    Then, sure.

    I guess it comes down to this...

    I don't think the team would suffer if Danton Heinen never played another game for them.

    Given that perspective and his diminshed trade value based on his play for about 70% of his career, there aren't a lot of guys I wouldn't deal him for right now.

    Some play a similar game to him... some play a different game than him.

    In the end, IMO, it's all going to be academic at some point because I don't expect him to be an NHL'er much longer.

    I could be wrong, as I have been in the past...lots of times.

    Or I could be right.

    Only time will tell.
     
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    If danton gets traded we can bring Bjork and Bruins won't feel a pinch in fact we might improve. Danton has been a ghost this year.
     
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    What a proposterous statement to say you don`t expect him "to be an NHL`er much longer."

    Heinen is a NHL player who has had a tough year but make no mistake, whether it`s with the B`s or someone else, he has shown he can play in this league
     
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    I ghost who hasn't been scoring yet in fact contributes in all 3 zones, and is a strong possession player
     
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    Bjork may be done for the year
     
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    We need someone to put the cookie in the cookie jar we rely too much on pastrnak and marchand and danton is supposed to provide goals. 5 goals ain't gonna cut it. Donny is frustrated I'm sure .
     
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    Noooooo way!!

    What a bummer...

    Another bump in the road for this kid.
     
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    Unbelievable that some people want to give up on Heinen so fast after the season he had last year. Also agree with @GloryDaze4877 that it wouldnt be wise to trade him with the dimished value he has. I would rather wait and see if he can bounce back, if not deal him. Also he isnt costing his team, he is still playing a responsible D game, just doesnt produce as much offence as last year.
     
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    Maybe.

    Conversely, I consider it preposterous to annoint a guy as a legitimate long term NHL'er based on a decent 1/2 of a season.

    The trail to the European leagues are littered with guys who have similar production to Heinen.

    People keep assuming that October - February of last year is what he is, when they want to discount what he is currently doing and has been for doing almost a calendar year.
     
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    ... He's 23.

    This board man.

    Woof.
     
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    In fairness....I'm not giving up on him after the season he had last year.

    I'm just willing to look at things differently.

    The year he had last year, was really only 1/2 of a good season...maybe a bit more.

    What he's done since about February of last year, including the playoffs, coupled with his performance this year, just makes me think of him differently than some others here do.

    If you put a gun to my head and asked me what he projects as, I'd probably says it's about halfway between what he did October - February last year and what he's done this year;

    Meaning 30-35 point third liner.

    Personally, I find those guys to be interchangeable, unless they kill penalties or bring a physical aspect to the team.

    Absent physicality or PK ability....those guys are just dime a dozen lineup filler.

    If you have a good, well rounded team, he's ok on your third or 4th line, but if he suddenly disappeared from your roster you wouldn't really notice.
     
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    hmm, anywhere in my post did you read me state he would be a "legitimate long term NHL `er"?

    Personally, I think he will eventually be a player (whether with the B`s or otherwise) whose numbers will be consistently be between 40-50 pts, a guy a coach will trust in most if not all situations. He`s got something I`m not sure you can teach and that`s hockey IQ.

    Despite having a horrendous offensive season, what impresses me most is he has not allowed the frustrations of that part of his game to affect his attention to the other 2 zones. With many young players in the same situation, I`d wager we`d see struggles in other areas. I look at Pasta early on (and no, not comparing their skill set), when he wasn`t producing offensively, he was near invisible and often a detriment defensively, don`t see that with Heinen.

    I would also wager with you, during trade talks that DS has with other GM`s, there would be more than just a few who would inquire about him, NOT as the focal point in a deal but as a player they`d be very interested in as part of a package
     
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    tough luck again for the kid, sounded like, based on what I`ve read here that he went down to the PB`s with a good attitude and worked hard to get better
     
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    Does anyone else think it was a mistake not trading him this past offseason? I’m in the don’t trade him camp now due to the diminished return you’d get for him, but I wanted him traded after 47 points last year
     
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    he`s done, will be flanking Koko soon in KHL:nod:
     
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    Amazing that you would make this statement about Heinen and player’s with his production headed to Europe...but you want to trade him for Frk, a guy with worse production, older, and clearly much closer to the SHL/KHL than Heinen is :laugh:
     
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    You wanted to trade a rookie who put up 47 points in his first full season?

    1st- why
    2nd- where is the proof of this outside of this being in hindsight
     
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    Nostradamus-like.

    What GM in their right ****ing mind would trade a 22/23 year old making $873k coming off a 47 pt season?
     
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    This logic never ceases to amaze me.
    23yo, 873k, 47 point season means he has value. Thus he could be traded for a player with similar value.

    People say the same thing with Krug... How could we trade a 60 point dman? Gee I don't know, maybe because that gives him VALUE.

    never mind that... Back to trading Zboril + Cehlarik for Schenn
     
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    My bad...

    When you questioned my thinking he'd be out of the NHL, I wrongly assumed you thought he'd be around for a relatively long period of time.
     
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    You're perception of Frk, is similar to mine of Heinen. (And I think they're both marginal NHL'ers right now)

    I don't know why this is so hard to fathom...

    First.....It wouldn't be a 1 for 1 swap...Detroit would need to add.

    Second...... I'm suggesting taking 2 guys who are playing lousy this year and switching their environments, thinking maybe something changes for one or both.

    Third......Would either guy be the first player to flourish on a new team?

    Not exactly the most outlandish idea of all time.
     
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