Denmark: Danish hockey and bandy history.

[Justinov]

I thought we needed a thread like this if we have anyone sitting on old material that is impossible to get from the net.

Karsten in the international hockey forum had this wonderful thread about the 60 years anniversary of the Danish Hockey Union:
http://www.internationalhockey.net/forums/showthread.php?7767-Danish-Hockey-60-years

So I have looked into it and tried to find additional information around the net:
I made this post in the Latvian forum to see if anyone there had some information about the “Father of Danish icehockey“ Jørgen Hviid that played for Unions Riga in the 1930's.
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1750187

I have also been trying to find something about the Bandy pioneers from primarily KSF that turned to Icehockey in the 20's and played in 1929.

So to start with an appetizer, since what I have gathered is still quite disorganized.
I have the following other webpages with a lot of good information:

KSF history:
http://www.ksf.dk/klub-information/historie/
They seriously needs some pictures on the net as this clubs just oozes history!

Rungsted history:
http://rungsted.is/rungsteds-ishockeyhistorie/

Silkeborg history:
http://www.ssf1896.dk/index.php?page=historisk-blik

Dansk Ishockey Unions historie:
http://www.ishockey.dk/Documents.aspx?category=2&docid=19

Nordic Games (Svensk: Nordiska Spelen; Dansk: Nordiske Lege) where Bandy (9-man version) was played already from 1901.
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordiska_spelen

Danish Bandy Union (meaning players from mostly KSF) participated in the Nordic Games in 1909 and 1917:
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dansk_Bandy_Union

Important Bandy players that also turned icehockey players:
It had started when three Danes (Vilhelm Wolfhagen, Einar Middelboe and Ove Schlichtkrull) went to St Moritz for the first European Icehockey Championship in 1922. Here they actually participated in an exhibition Bandy match, but saw that Icehockey likely were more practical for Denmark than Bandy. So KSF dissolved their bandy and waited for cold winter to play hockey (which beside 1924 took until 1929 and then it wasn't possible again before 1940).

Vilhelm Wolfhagen (Olympic football silver 1908-1912). Played for Frederiksberg Skøjteløberforening 1902-1922.
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilhelm_Wolfhagen

Einar Middelboe (Olympic reserve in football 1908, brother of the multi-sport talented Nils Middelboe - one of the leading Danish football stars, that also played bandy, but was in England from 1913-1936 [first non-british football player in Chelsea])
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einar_Middelboe
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nils_Middelboe

Poul Graae: Goalkeeper reserve for the Olympic football team in 1920:
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poul_Graae

Harry Bendixen: National football team player 1924-28
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Bendixen

Henning Holst: Olympic silver medalist for Denmark in Field hockey 1920, also played in the olympic field hockey tournament in 1928 and 1936!
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_Holst

Anyone else knows about players on the first Danish Icehockey team of ex-Bandy players, footballers and field-hockey players?
This early stuff is really fascinating.

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[QuietContrarian]

Lovely Justi,

Will be following this thread with eager, just like I did Karstens

Cheers!

 

[Justinov]

Lovely Justi,

Will be following this thread with eager, just like I did Karstens

Cheers!

Yeah also hope some people with a good amount of access to Club History Papers might contribute
Or anyone from a hockey family with “strange old pictures“.....even better if they have written names on them.

 

[Justinov]

Amazingly bandy was apparently also a popular women sport when it was played in Copenhagen between 1895-1924 until KSF disbanded it.
Actually from 1912-1940 it was a quite warm period, so only 5 years did you have conditions to actually skate in Denmark:
Winters (Jan-Feb): 1912, 1917, 1922, 1924 and 1929.

Then the 40-50's was quite cold and good for wintersport in Denmark.

Women playing bandy in Copenhagen 1917: [though it says “ishockey“ on the picture it was the name Bandy was likely known in Denmark]

Source: http://vaeggen.copenhagen.dk/media_cache/275/275_highlight.jpg

This wonderfull magazine:
http://www.ub.gu.se/fasta/laban/erez/kvinnohistoriska/tidskrifter/idun/1917/pdf/1917_09.pdf
This “Illustrated News for Women and the Home" from Sweden 1917 shows pictures from the Nordic Games in Stockholm 1917 and with picture of the Swedish “Kronprinsessans bandyklubb“ in action on page 144. Who do they play ? (KSF women?). and isn't it Bandy sticks held by women on the front page of that magazine??

Hammerbys homepage has the Crownprincess Club in existence already in the Nordic Games 1913.
“1913 deltog Kronprinsessan Margaretas Hockeyklubb vid Nordiska Spelen“ (again who did they play?!).
http://www.hammarbybandy.se/foreningen/om-foreningen/historia/
Kronprinsessan Margaretas Hockeyklubb played bandy already from 1909:
Source: http://www.torehartung.se/content/bandy-i-backspegeln

 

[Justinov]

It seems to be some confusion when exactly bandy was firstly introduced in Denmark and Sweden.

Some sites on net credits the Englishman Charles Goodman Tebbutt as being the first to introduce the sport in Denmark. He had been the leading part in the creation of the British Bandy Association in 1891.

Charles Goodman Tebbutt in fine skating pose: [also first Dutch Speed Skating Champion in 1887]

Source: http://www.npogeschiedenis.nl/nieuw...pioenschappen-schaatsen-1887-Slikkerveer.html

As Bandy player: Apparently this photo should have been taken in Stockholm 1889 (?) [but that is very early to show around a Bandy stick in Scandinavia......likely it's from his visit in 1894]

Source: http://digitaltmuseum.no/things/portrett-1-skytelper-bandyspiller-charles/HH/0401-02823

He wrote the chapter on bandy in this book on Skating from 1892:
https://openlibrary.org/books/OL7132924M/Skating
In the introduction to the bandy chapter he writes that: “The game of bandy, otherwise known as hockey, shinney or shinty, is doubtless one of the oldest pastimes of the kind ever known“.
So it was regarded as an old game in Britain under many variant names. Later he also state that the name hockey-on-the-ice is very common.

He writes that he visited Holland in the winter of 1890-91 and a match between “Bury Fen“ (his own team) and Dutch players were played in Haarlem 3'rd of January 1891 and in Amsterdam the 4th and 5th. He gives the team rosters, but not the match results. [Arnold Tebbutt gives the result of the first Haarlem match as “approximate“ 14-1 in his book from 1896].
Lastly he also gives the current speed skating records where he himself had set the quarter mile record at the Bury Fen in 1889.

So we have Holland in January 1891 secured.

Bury Fen team in Holland 1892:

Source: http://www.grushjaltar.se/bandy/en-...-of-the-best-games-a-man-can-play-482389.aspx

So it seems fairly certain that C.G. Tebbutt also introduced Bandy/hockey-on-ice to Denmark:
Then this Swedish wikipedia gives the Danish date as 1893 [http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandy_i_Danmark] while another wikipedia site gives it later [http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._G._Tebbutt] as likely 1894 when he was coming home from Sweden.

Also some confusion when it starts in Sweden:
The wikipedia site gives 1894 [http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._G._Tebbutt] while another Swedish bandy site attributes it to Count Clarence von Rosen in 1895. [http://iof1.idrottonline.se/Svenska...Historiskamilstolpar/Bandyhistoria1875-1919/]

What is certain is that KSF had bandy as an official part in 1895.

In Sweden the first bandy club was either within “Stockholms gymnastikförening“ in 1894 or “Hockeyklubben“ in Stockholm [http://iof1.idrottonline.se/Svenska...Historiskamilstolpar/Bandyhistoria1875-1919/] in 1896 (unless they are the same with just introduction date or later actual creation date?).

Hammersby's Homepage states that the 1894 occasion was an exhibition and that 1896 is the first club foundation! [http://www.hammarbybandy.se/foreningen/om-foreningen/historia/]
“I februari 1894 var det premiär för bandysporten i Sverige. I samband med skridskotävlingar pÃ¥ Nybrovikens is i Stockholm förevisades dÃ¥ ett ”bollspel pÃ¥ is” av engelsmannen Tebbutt, som var pÃ¥ besök med anledning av skridskotävlingarna. Spelet hade dÃ¥ utövats i England sedan mitten av 1700-talet. Medlemmar ur Stockholms Gymnastikförening blev de första ”försökskaninerna”.
1895 introducerade greve Clarence von Rosen bandysporten i Sverige och Ã¥ret därpÃ¥ bildades den första bandyklubben i landet, Hockeyklubben i Stockholm. En klubb för framför allt aristokratin“.

So Bandy club-wise is one year older in Denmark than Sweden, ha!!

Count Clarence von Rosen was Swedish by the way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_von_Rosen

Brother of Charles - Arnold Tebbutt (also playing for Bury Fen) - even commented in 1896 that he saw no real future for Bandy in Sweden or Norway, because there was to much snow, but thought that beside UK Denmark, Germany and Holland were very promising countries.
Alas the weather changed to the warmer from WW1 and onwards (with the 40's as the exception).
“Arnold Tebutt konstaterar 1896 att Danmark är ett bättre land än Norge och Sverige för bandy, dÃ¥ de inte fick lika mycket snö. Tebutt är dyster i prognosen när det gällde Sverige och ifrÃ¥gasatte om sporten nÃ¥gonsin skulle fÃ¥ fäste pÃ¥ allvar i Sverige och hyste större förväntningar pÃ¥ framtiden för England, Danmark, Holland och även Tyskland.“
Source: http://www.grushjaltar.se/bandy/en-...-of-the-best-games-a-man-can-play-482389.aspx

Arnold Tebbutt's book from 1896:

 

[Justinov]

Relaunch of Danish Bandy is underway.
Hope this post can convince some to apply!

If anyone didn't know this Bandy is still played by (very) few Danes.
In the Swedish leagues you have the Gyldenløve brothers.

Christian Gyldenløve played in Boltic (Allsvenskan) last year and Mosserud this year.
http://www.svenskafans.com/bandy/bo...ch-snack-med-christian-gyldenlove-484925.aspx

Ole Gyldenløve plays in Eskilstuna (1st division) and have started the quest to have Denmark playing in the B-WC in January 2015 in Kharbarovsk.
http://iof1.idrottonline.se/Svenska...er/Senastenytt/DanmarksiktarmotVMiChabarovsk/

So if anyone wants to be the first national players for Denmark in Bandy since the Nordic Games in 1917, then it's the chance now (his email is given in the link above for those interested). Deadline to get 11 players is in november!

How it went in Irkutsk 2014 is here with a lot of other new Bandy nations that have taken off lately:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandy_World_Championship_2014

Here is a radio interview in Swedish with Christian Gyldenløve:
http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=97&artikel=5972458

As it wasn't possible to attract enough players to create a team, the plans were abandoned this time around:
Source: http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/vast/ingen-dansk-bandy-trots-allt

 

[Justinov]

Apparently it's pretty hard to find the correct roster on the net of the Danish WC team in 1949.

I found this Danish roster from the IIHF World Championship special. It also shows a picture from the Canada-Denmark game with Danish goalie Flemming Jensen struggling and the roster from the official program.
http://www.iihf.com/fileadmin/user_upload/PDF/Sport/IIHF_Vol7No2.pdf

1) Flemming Jensen (goalie)
2) Børge Hamann
3) Svend Malver
4) Dan Danry
5) Jørgen Hviid
6) Erik Hviid
7) Knud Lebech
8) Frede Sørensen
9) Ole Nielsen
10) Erik Halberg
11) Poul Nielsen
14) Leif Jonsen (reserve goalie) - Should be Leif Johansen?!

But here is the complication. Official roster and reality? This article (Faceoff 5) gives a different roster. http://issuu.com/faceoff-online/docs/faceoff_5
Goalies: Flemming Jensen (KSF) and Leif Jonsen [Johansen] (Rungsted).
D-men: Svend Malver (KSF), Børge Hamann (KSF), Erik Halberg (Rungsted), Leif Ammentorp (Rungsted)
Forwards: Erik Hviid (KSF), Jørgen Hviid (KSF), Dan Danry (KSF), Ole Nielsen (Rungsted), Frede Sørensen (Rungsted), Knud Lebech (KSF?), Ib Hamann (KSF), Poul Nielsen (?).

So Leif Ammentorp and Ib Hamann are perhaps the lacking 12) + 13) numbers on the official roster.

Apparently no Viggo Hviid on the roster (though an interview with Erik Hviid seems to indicate he was, but maybe only as a supporter for the idea?).

With help from Jukka translating the statforum.5-games.ru site we have the info of the line-up in Denmark's three matches [vs. Canada, Austria & Belgium]:
Goalie: Flemming Jensen.
First d-pair: Børge Hamann, Svend Malver
Second d-pair: Jørgen Hviid and Dan Danry [interesting line-up as they both normally would be forwards!]
1-forward line: Erik Hviid, Knud Lebech & Frede Sørensen
2-forward line: Ole Nielsen, Erik Halberg & Poul Nielsen [Erik Halberg was normally playing defense]

So each source have varying informations on the roster.

Here is anyways a picture of the Canadian opposition to the first Danish game: Sudbury Wolves

Roster: Ray Bauer, Joe de Bastiani, Bill Dimoch, Doug Free, Emil Gagne, Bud Hashey, Barney Hillson, Herb Kewley, John Kovich, Don Munroe, Al Picard, Albert Rabelletto, Jim Russell, Tom Russell, Don Stanley, Joe Tergesen.
Here is the Canadian goal scorers, where Denmark lost 47-0 [13:0; 16:0, 18:0] and apparently Denmark had 3 shots on goal.
CAN: Jim Russell (8), Tom Russell (6), Stanley (5), Debastiani (5), Munroe (5), Bauer (3), Hashey (3), Tergeson (3), Gagne (3), Hillson (3), Dimoch (3).
From: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=244760&page=2


Interview with Bill Dimock that played in that game:
http://www.ngnews.ca/News/Local/201...rsquo;-most-lopsided-game-at-Worlds-in-1949/1

 

[Justinov]

So here is a little post about speed skating in Denmark:
Once we were the leading backwards speed skating nation in the world!

Erik Hviid the younger brother of Jørgen Hviid became the Danish Speed Skating champion in 1941 and 1942 (the 6'th and 7th one in history) when winters finally were cold enough to have championships for the first time since 1929. He was also part of the WC 1949 team and must have been a pretty fast hockey player internationally, but likely with “hands of stone“ as people said he didn't have his brothers stick skills.

I have found his times for 1942 here if anyone wants to try and compare with the speed of their own feet today:
Erik Hviid (DEN) - Competition results, statistics and records | Skaters | SpeedSkatingNews

Apparently Denmark was able to have 14 speed skating championships between 1909-1956.

It seems that many more unofficial competitions were held from 1871-1909 as the winters were generally cold in that period.

The best known Danish speed skater Kurt Stille won in 1954 and 1956, then moved to Norway and became an Olympian in 1960 & 1964 scoring his best result as 9th in the 10.000 meter in 1964. Still the best Danish Olympic Winter sport result in an individual discipline. (joint with Michael Tyllesen in figure skating from 1998).
Kurt Stille - SpeedSkatingStats.com
After 1964 he started with cross country skiing instead and is still a popular figure in Norway. Here is his return to Danish Speed Skating in 2008 at 73 years old:
Stille going strong (norwegian)
He even has his own memorial race in Norway:
Dansk skøytekonge æret i Ås

Kurt Stille in action: http://multimedia.pol.dk/archive/00820/Kurt_Stille_820591s.jpg

Another important speed skaters was Ejnar Sørensen that achieved very good results before WW1 but sadly died of the flu in 1912 right when he was at his peak internationally. He was also a very good rower and Nordic Champion in 1911.
His 5'th place in the 1500 meter at the European Allround Championship in Hamar, Norway, 1911 is the single best Danish Speed Skating result. [Last international championship before he died].
Ejnar Sørensen - SpeedSkatingStats.com
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejnar_Sørensen

Speed Skating Championships in Denmark:
0) Winner 1909: ? [Danish Skating Union is from 1912 and doesn't list any championships before]
1) Winner 1912: Ejnar Sørensen set multiple Danish records before he dies, but the source lists Hj. Friis Petersen, KSF as champion.
- Vilhelm Hastrup sets a World Record in 500 m backwards skating with 59,0 sec. [Beaten in Norway 1934 by Canadian Alex Hurd 1934 with 55,3 sec and again in 2008 by Reece Derraugh with 53,75 sec - Source: http://www.ringblad.no/nyheter/article3417084.ece - Denmark still have the World Record in 1000 meters backwards from 1900 by E. Staal 2.09,4]
2) Winner 1917: Jean Peterson, Malmø.
3) Winner 1922: Jean Peterson, Malmø.
4) Winner 1924: Allan Heilmann, KSF [was a Klit foged (Dune Guardian) in Skagen and made the first artificial speed skating track in Denmark for himself and his son Niels Heilmann]
5) Winner 1929: Allan Heilmann, KSF
6) Winner 1941: Erik Hviid, KSF
7) Winner 1942: Erik Hviid, KSF
8) Winner 1946: Niels Heilmann, KSF
9) Winner 1947: Niels Heilmann, KSF
10) Winner 1948: Niels Heilmann, KSF
11) Winner 1954: Kurt Stille, KSF
12) Winner 1955: Kjeld Westergaard, KSF [Kurt Stille didn't participate as he was busy being a guitarist in Finland]
13) Winner 1956: Kurt Stille, KSF
Source https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/skate/conversations/topics/15029

Kurt Stille as Guitarist: http://www.2700-netavisen.dk/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/james-6.jpg

No Danish championship after 1956, until modern times after the Danish Skating Union tried to revive the sport in 2004 with the two inline skating talents Oliver Sundberg and Cathrine Grage that switched to skates.
Speed skating had otherwise only been kept alive by one small club: “Hurtigløberforeningen af 1972“, that ran at Løje Sø¸ when the weather allowed it.
http://www.hlf72.dk/category/klubben/

 

[Justinov]

Found a source of the likely first icehockey match played in Denmark.
http://www2.skanehockey.com/html\historik\skansk_ishockey\skansk_ishockey.pdf
As I expected it was the transition year of 1924, when the Danish Bandy players all changed to icehockey.

The same year “Scanias Football Union“ (SkÃ¥nes fotboldförbund) had created a “Bandy and Icehockey Committee“.
Stockholm's IK Göta had travelled to Lund to play a bandy match with the Scanians and also given an icehockey exhibition leaving some equipment behind!

So the 2nd of February 1924 bandy players from IFK Malmö could play bandy players from KSF in an improvised icehockey match in Copenhagen (Peblinge Lake):
The match ended 2-2.

EDIT: This site mention a match 2nd of February 1929 with the same roster given below: [So unclear whether the 1924 or 1929 is the correct info].
Source: http://miso.se/om-oss/sa-kom-idrotten-till-malmo/ishockey/

IFK Malmö's roster is given, but not KSF's (grumble grumble): Neither any report on goalscorers.
Torsten Flintberg (goalie), Gunnar Andersson, Perry Eriksson, ? Sjöholm, Sven J Malmström, Folke Zickermann, Knut Happach, Ragnar Lindström.
Referee: Erik Malmström.

As in Denmark (exception 1929 winter) no Icehockey is played in Scania again until 1940, probably also because of very warm winters.

1940:
Malmö BI of bandy players travels to Copenhagen to play KSF learning the icehockey rules on the ferry:
The match played the 7'th of January ends with a 3-2 win for Malmö.
The 14th of January a match is played in Malmö where KSF is smashed 13-1. [Malmö BI really improved fast!]
NB: Malmö BI = "Malmö Boll & Idrottsförening" -> the football part of the club is FC Rosengård 1917 today.

1941:
As training for a tournament against teams from Hamburg a strengthened Malmö BI plays KSF the 17th of January (location?) and wins 10-2.

1942:
Unknown date where Malmö BI meets a Copenhagen city team (so likely players from both KSF and Frederiksberg Skating club, perhaps also Rungsted). Danish victory 3-2.

1943:
KSF wins 4-1 over a Malmö team (unknown if IFK or BI), thanks to the picture with info send to me from Henning Danry.

1944:
The Stockholm-born Folke Lindström had moved to Malmö and started in Malmö BI Bandy in 1937. He got the club convinced to switch to icehockey, which they played at least until 1942 (1943?), but then they stopped. Folke Lindström and presumely some players from Malmö BI then went over to the newly started Malmö FF Icehockey in 1944.
Source: https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malmö_Redhawks

1946-47:
Creation of Scanias Icehockey Union.
A Scanian-Danish tournament is played with clubs Malmö FF, IFK Malmö, Tyringe SoS, KSF & Rungsted IK (so three Scanian and two Danish teams): Matches played both in Scania and Denmark.
Nice showing by KSF while both Tyringe and Rungsted got hammered.

IFK Malmö 4 4 0 0 37-3 : 8P
Malmö FF 4 2 1 1 28-4 : 5P
Köpenhamn SF 4 2 1 1 30-12 : 5p
Tyringe SoS 4 1 0 3 8-42 : 2p
Rungsted IK 4 0 0 4 2-43 : 0p

1947-1948: A planned series with Danish teams is cancelled because of sudden mild weather.
A mini three-city tournament between Växjö, Malmö and Copenhagen was played with Växjö as winner.

From this point on Scania played with Swedish teams and the Danish teams left to themselves.
The winters right up to the WC 1949 were not very cold, so the good winter 1946-47 were the season the Danish players got most of their training (with some practice also 1947-48).

 

[Justinov]

In the harsh winter of 1946-47 KSF also played in Holland against the Tilburg Trappers: Sadly only Jørgen Hviid and Dan Danry is listed as certain on the KSF roster.
http://www.tysctrappers.nl/index.php...157&Itemid=179

Tilburg and KSF played the 17/3 1947 with Tilburg winning 6-5.
http://www.tysctrappers.nl/index.php...d=17&Itemid=42
Maybe the reason Jørgen Hviid and Dan Danry is listen is because they scored, but no further info is available from this site.

 

[Justinov]

In desperation after info around the net you even turn to Finnish.......[good old “Volapyksi-kaksi“ as some of us calls - mix of Volapük and yksi, kaksi].
So I found results of the Nordic Games Bandy Matches in 1909 (the “International“ ones as also other Bandy games were played).
Source: http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jääpallon_Ruotsin-mestaruuskilpailut_1909

So 4 teams participated:
In the semi-final KSF played the Swedish champions AIK, that had got a lot of match practice during the Nordic Games.
AIK only beat KSF 3-0. That must be single most impressive Danish Bandy result!!

In the other semi final: The Swedish Football National B-Squad played the Finnish “Polytechnics Sports Club“ (founded 1903 in Helsinki) winning 7-3.

Final: AIK won over the Swedish National team with 7-4.
Third: Helsinki Polytechnics beat KSF with 5-2.

KSF team must have been all-time strong.

The Helsinki “Polytechnics Sports Club“ [Fin: Polyteknikkojen urheiluseura] Finnish football champions in 1909 (that essentially also were the bandy players in the Nordic Games 1909, as they were also the finnish bandy champions):

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aalto_University_Sports_Club

Sadly not much info on the 1917 Nordic Games in Finnish.

Found some info on the 1917 Nordic Games and apparently Denmark had decreased enormously in playing strength or the Swedish teams had vastly improved:
The Danish team became 4th out of 6 teams - so they had to beat at least one team to advance to the semi-final?
They were massacred by Swedish teams, which they weren't in 1909:
Semi final: Stockholm - Dansk Bandy Union 13-0
Third place: Västmanland - Dansk Bandy Union 16-0
Source: http://www.oocities.org/~bandytips/Kalenderbiteri/Svetab/NS.html
According to this site the team playing for the third place was the regional team Västmanland-Närke with 9 players from Västerås SK Bandy.
Source: http://vskbandy.se/klubben/historia/

 

[Justinov]

Found this fantastic you tube video when going over Rungsted's hockey history.

Clip from the match Rungsted-Esbjerg 1960.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPaRdTj-Qic
Wow Danish hockey had made some strides the last 50 years.....

Also the Rungsted homepage has a very old foto (but no date given or what the match was).
http://rungsted.is/index.php/om-rung/rungsteds-ishockeyhistorie

 

[Justinov]

I just found this amazing clip of an icehockey match between KSF and IFK Malmö or “Malmö Kamraterna“.
It says to have been taking place in 1937 (!) in Copenhagen (Peblinge Søen with quite a few spectators).....can that really be true?
But the Hviid brothers had returned home from Latvia in 1934, so it could be part of a PR stunt that lead to KSF launching icehockey in 1938!
The match apparently ended 1-1.

Enjoy: Then we just need anyone who can identify the players!
But the guy receiving flowers at the start could very well be Jørgen Hviid as captain [I'm certain it is].

http://oldportal.euscreen.eu/play.jsp?id=EUS_BF2B709B59A245AD8FE52C4FE6D718B9

 

[Justinov]

Word Championships 1962 and Denmark played in the B-group losing all 5 games.

Source for all the stats below: http://statforum.5-games.ru/viewtopic.php?f=161&t=2051

The Roster:
Denmark
No Name Pos GP G A PTS PM PPG SHG
2 Danry Dan D 2 0 0 0 4 0 0
3 Mielow Bjarne D 5 2 0 2 0 0 0
4 Gautier Michael F 5 1 1 2 2 0 0
5 Hamann Ole D 3 0 0 0 2 0 0
6 Grauballe Niels F 5 1 0 1 0 0 0
7 Lebech Knud F 5 0 1 1 0 0 0
8 Christensen Svend F 5 0 0 0 10 0 0
9 Hviid Torsten D 5 1 1 2 2 0 0
10 Bjerrum Kjeld F 5 1 0 1 10 0 0
11 Jacobsen Keld F 5 0 1 1 4 0 0
12 Carlsen Bjarne F 5 1 1 2 0 1 0
13 Höybye “Guddi“ F 5 2 0 2 8 0 0
14 Hasselbach Uno D 5 0 0 0 6 0 0
15 Petersen Niels D 5 0 1 1 8 0 0
16 Schack Niels F 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
GP GA SVS SOG PM MIP
1 Andresen Hans GK 5 42 149 191 0 300:00
17 Jellum Niels GK 0 0 0 0 0 00:00
total goals - 9 total penalty - 56

Netherlands – Denmark 9:4 (4:1, 3:1, 2:2).
March 10, Denver, Referees: Riley (USA), Tsutsumi (JPN).
Netherlands: van Esch; Klein - Ooms, M. de Jong - van Dommelen; D. Smit - Loret - Manuel, Pieterse - Overakker - R. Bakker, Hendriks.
Denmark: Andreasen; Danry - Hasselbach, Mielow - N. Petersen; Höybye - K. Jacobsen - Hviid, B. Carlsen - Gautier - S. Christensen, Grauballe - Bjerrum - Lebech.
1:0 Pieterse (D. Smith) ………………. 5.29
2:0 Manuel (Klein) ………………. 11.59 PPG
3:0 Loret ………………. 13.25
3:1 Mielow (N. Petersen) ………………. 15.57
4:1 Pieterse (Klein) ………………. 18.28 PPG
5:1 Manuel (Loret) ………………. 20.59
6:1 D. Smit (Loret) ………………. 24.59 PPG
7:1 Loret (Manuel, D. Smit) ………………. 31.26
7:2 Höybye (Hviid) ………………. 37.37
7:3 Mielow (B. Carlsen) ………………. 49.14
7:4 B. Carlsen ………………. 51.36 PPG
8:4 Loret (Klein) ………………. 56.22 PPG
9:4 Manuel (Loret, D. Smit) ………………. 56.32 PPG

Shots on goal:
Netherlands .... 14 8 8 30
Denmark .... 9 8 6 23

Penalty:
Netherlands - 8 min (Hendriks 22.12, Pieterse 22.35, D. Smit 38.42, van Dommelen 51.29)
Denmark - 16 min (Gautier 11.00, K. Jacobsen 17.12, N. Petersen 24.37, N. Petersen 41.54, Bjerrum 47.10, N. Petersen 54.50, Hviid 54.58, Höybye 57.21)

France – Denmark 7:2 (4:0, 1:0, 2:2).
March 11, Colorado Springs, Referees: Finegold (USA), Trumble (USA).
France: Sozzii; Pianfetti - Paupardin, Gilloz - Longuet; Lacarrière - Guennelon - A. Bozon, Brunet - M. Chappot - Dufour, Baudin - Cailler - Larrivaz.
Denmark: Andreasen; Hasselbach - N. Petersen, Mielow; B. Carlsen - K. Jacobsen - Höybye, Grauballe - Gautier - Bjerrum, Hviid - S. Christensen - Lebech.
1:0 A. Bozon (Lacarrière) ………………. 5.39
2:0 Lacarrière (Guennelon) ………………. 10.08
3:0 Paupardin (M. Chappot) ………………. 16.48
4:0 M. Chappot ………………. 18.06
5:0 A. Bozon ………………. 32.42
5:1 Gautier ………………. 46.27
5:2 Bjerrum ………………. 46.38
6:2 Guennelon (Lacarrière) ………………. 49.35 PPG
7:2 Guennelon (Longuet) ………………. 56.40

Shots on goal:
France .... 21 15 9 45
Denmark .... 3 5 10 18

Penalty:
France - 24 min (Longuet 2.20, Paupardin 2.24, Baudin 13.57, Pianfetti 24.08, Longuet 34.13, Paupardin 35.13, Guennelon 36.45, Longuet 37.13, Gilloz 39.19, Paupardin 40.57, Lacarrière 41.46, Dufour 52.32)
Denmark - 14 min (Höybye 3.14, Bjerrum 7.17, Bjerrum 28.19, S. Christensen 36.45, Höybye 48.48, S. Christensen 49.58, N. Petersen 59.48)

Australia – Denmark 6:2 (2:2, 4:0, 0:0).
March 15, Denver, Referees: Trumble (USA), Tsutsumi (JPN).
Australia: Cavanagh; Jones - Martyr, Purcell - Wellman, Bourke; Thomas - Parrott - Harris, Renton - Dewhurst - Mansted.
Denmark: Andresen; Mielow - N. Petersen, Hasselbach - Hamann; B. Carlsen - K. Jacobsen - Höybye, Grauballe - Gautier - Bjerrum, Hviid - Lebech - S. Christensen.
0:1 Höybye (K. Jacobsen) ………………. 1.07
1:1 Wellman (Mansted) ………………. 12.13
2:1 Thomas (Bourke, Harris) ………………. 13.50
2:2 Hviid (Lebech) ………………. 15.21
3:2 Thomas (Parrott) ………………. 27.26 PPG
4:2 Parrott ………………. 30.15
5:2 Parrott (Harris) ………………. 33.31
6:2 Harris (Thomas) ………………. 39.48

Shots on goal:
Australia .... 9 10 6 25
Denmark .... 8 7 7 22

Penalty:
Australia - 8 min (Purcell 19.59, Wellman 22.16, Mansted 35.50, Parrott 36.43)
Denmark - 8 min (Hasselbach 18.17, Bjerrum 26.47, Hasselbach 35.50, S. Christensen 59.05)

Denmark – Japan 1:13 (0:6, 0:4, 1:3).
March 17, Denver, Referees:Finegold (USA), Trumble (USA).
Denmark: Andresen; Hasselbach - N. Petersen, Mielow - Hamann; Lebech - K. Jacobsen - Höybye, Grauballe - Gautier - Bjerrum, Hviid - B. Carlsen - S. Christensen.
Japan: Tomita (Tsukiji 40.01); Kaneda - Tanabu, Ohki - Takagi; Ono - Takashima - M. Sato, Kazahari - Kawabuchi - Iwamoto, Ito - Sh. Honma - Kabayashi.
0:1 Sato (Ono) ………………. 7.56 PPG
0:2 Takashima (Ono) ………………. 9.15
0:3 Iwamoto (Ohki) ………………. 10.50
0:4 Tanabu ………………. 13.53
0:5 Ono (Kaneda) ………………. 14.33
0:6 Sh. Honma ………………. 16.33
0:7 Takashima (Ono) ………………. 20.21
0:8 Ito (Ono) ………………. 27.36
0:9 Sato ………………. 28.54
0:10 Kaneda ………………. 35.48
0:11 Sato (Ono, Takashima) ………………. 40.24
0:12 Tanabu (Iwamoto) ………………. 48.12
1:12 Grauballe (Gautier) ………………. 50.57
1:13 Ito (Kabayashi, Ohki) ………………. 57.09

Shots on goal:
Denmark .... 5 6 6 17
Japan .... 17 12 13 42

Penalty:
Denmark - 4 min (S. Christensen 7.00, Höybye 20.52)
Japan - 2 min (Kawabuchi 3.01)

Austria – Denmark 7:0 (3:0, 2:0, 2:0).
March 18, Denver, Referees: Barry (USA), Riley (USA).
Austria: Püls; Bachura - Schager, Knoll - Spielmann; Monitzer - Bachler - St. John, Neuwirth - Winkler - Kalt, Znehnalik.
Denmark: Andresen; S. Christensen - Mielow, Hasselbach - Danry; Lebech - Bjerrum - N. Petersen, B. Carlsen - K. Jacobsen - Höybye, Grauballe - Gautier - Hviid, Hamann.
1:0 Spielmann (Znehnalik) ………………. 1.16 SHG
2:0 Znehnalik (St. John, Knoll) ………………. 8.58 PPG
3:0 St. John (Znehnalik) ………………. 17.33 PPG
4:0 Znehnalik (Spielmann, Knoll) ………………. 26.17 PPG
5:0 St. John (Bachura) ………………. 35.35
6:0 Znehnalik (St. John) ………………. 44.22
7:0 Znehnalik (St. John) ………………. 48.55

Shots on goal:
Austria .... 18 15 16 49
Denmark .... 4 4 12 20

Penalty:
Austria - 8 min (St. John 0.50, Monitzer 11.19, Neuwirth 49.41, Znehnalik 53.19)
Denmark - 14 min (S. Christensen 5.27, Bjerrum 5.44, Danry 7.35, K. Jacobsen 16.56, Danry 17.06, Hamann 25.19, Hasselbach 50.55)

 

[Justinov]

Poul Popiel was born in Denmark (Søllested 1943). His family moved to Canada in 1951, so he got all his hockey upbringing there it seems.

He had a long career playing in several NHL clubs and especially for the Houston Aeros in the competing WHA league from 1972-1978. He was the player with most games for the Houston Aeros with 467. [62G and 265A] and played the first D-pair.
Houston Aeros All-time roster: http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/display_players.php?tmi=6117

He was on the WHA all-star-team in 1975 and 1977.
He won the WHA in 1973/74 & 1974/75.

I have found some clips on you tube:

1) Making a nice assist on a PP to Gord Labossiere at the start of the clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0kKwm3PVBk

2) All-star introduction 1977: Poul Popiel is number 6 at 1.35-1.50 min
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGvWbw8KYtQ

He also had an NHL career with quite a number of clubs:
In the early years most of his time was spend in the AHL, but he got
3 games for Boston Bruins in 1965/66
1 game for Los Angeles Kings in 1967/68
62 games for Detroit Red Wings in 1968/69
32 games for Detroit Red Wings in 1969/70
78 games for Vancouver Canuck in 1970/71
38 games for Vancouver Canucks in 1971/72 [out with fractured ankle for 10 weeks.]
10 games for Edmonton Oilers in 1979/80

So 224 NHL games with 13G 41A, whereas 10G 22A were in the 1970/71 alone for Vancouver.
I guess it was the year he got PP time as he seemed to have had generally in WHA.

So best D-man Dane by far in North American ice hockey, though he was an US citizen. [don't know when that happened, as his family had moved to Canada?]
Yet you can wonder how good Jesper Duus would have been if he had went over-there.

Interview with Poul Popiel as being an “Original Canuck“ (including “meeting“ Gordie Howe's elbow twice‚ when Popiel was rookie and playing for Boston in 1965-66).
http://www.uticaod.com/article/20130920/Blogs/309209890

 

[Justinov]

Thanks to Henning Danry for this picture of the KSF team 1943, when they played a Malmö team. As it was a city championship it is likely it was the best players from the two Malmö teams IKF Malmö and Malmö FF (or still BI Malmö).

Jørgen Alfred Hviid (in front as Captain).
Knud Tønsberg (was referee at the icehockey Olympics in 1948 and the WC in 1949)
Børge Hamann
Erik Valdemar Hviid
Flemming Jensen (goalie)
K. Berthelsen (anyone knows his first name?)
Dan Danry
Jørgen Petersen
K. Malver (shouldn't it be Svend Malver?)
J. Christensen (anyone knowns his first name?)

 

[Justinov]

The icehockey magasine "Faceoff" (nr. 17) have a special edition about Danish Hockey History full of interesting stories about the clubs and significant players and coaches from the 60's through to the 90's.

In Danish:
Source: http://issuu.com/faceoff-online/docs/fo_17

 

[Justinov]

Apparently KSF played a Bandy match against IFK Malmö already in 1907 on the Peblinge Lake in Copenhagen in heavy rain!
Sadly no roster or result is known from this source: https://www.yumpu.com/sv/document/view/20495560/sasongen-2009-ifk-malmo/7

1907 was in fact the year the first National Bandy Championship was played in Sweden, so the match could have been a training up to or inspired by this championship.
It was the first bandy match ever played by IFK Malmö.
Source: http://www.laget.se/malmobandy/Page/168096

In 1907 also the following happened in Swedish Bandy:
"St. Petersburger Eislaufverein" gästade då Sverige och ett första inofficiellt svenskt landslag reste till Helsingfors för att spela mot St Petersburg EV samt finska Polytekarna."
So "The St. Petersburg Skating Club" bandy team made a tour in Sweden and an in-official Swedish National team travelled to Helsinki and played against the Helsinki Polytechnics (Polyteknikkojen urheiluseura) there.
Source: http://www.siriusfotboll.se/om-ik-sirius/historik/1907-sa-borjade-det/

 

[Justinov]

Have found this old clip from Peblinge Lake in Copenhagen (with Gunner "Nu" Hansen as commentator) as first some figure skating and then a short clip of a Copenhagen team (in white) playing a Swedish team (not specified which) and apparently lost big-time.
Bandy was supposed to be disbanded by KSF in 1924, so this clip is likely before that.
Source: http://filmcentralen.dk/museum/danmark-paa-film/klip/kunstskoejteloeb-og-bandy-paa-peblinge-soe

NB: The above mentioned is a clip from this film that was made for the 50 year anniversary of "Dansk Idræts-Forbund" in 1946.
The bandy is at 11.29 min in the full film. It shows some ice hockey at 27.50 min (no specific mention of who is playing, but it must be from the Scanian-Danish hockey tournament of 1946-47) followed by the National Championship in speed skating (which Niels Heilmann, KSF, won).
It shows a lot of interesting things (especially old school track and field and also "outdoor handball" played on a football pitch at 31.50 min and again at 32.10 min!).
Source: http://filmcentralen.dk/museum/danmark-paa-film/film/dansk-idraets-forbunds-jubilaeumsfilm

The film also shows in the introduction some Danish sport history.
Speed Skater Ejnar Sørensen is shown briefly at 5.53 min and called Danish Champion (won in 1909?).

EDIT: For the bandy shown in the 1946 anniversary film, they had taken an old clip from "Ugerevyen".
The bandy match is from the 20th of January 1918 according to notes on the web page!
Here from 12.18 min to 13.45 (sadly no sound).
Source: http://filmcentralen.dk/museum/danmark-paa-film/film/ugerevyen-danmark-21-22-23-24

 

[Justinov]

The Scanian club IK Pantern (currently in Allsvenskan) actually debuted in the 7/11 1965 against Rungsted !
Rungsted won 7-3.
Source: http://www6.idrottonline.se/IKPantern-Ishockey/Foreningen/Historia/1965-66del2/

 

[Justinov]

Another important speed skaters was Ejnar Sørensen that achieved very good results before WW1 but sadly died of the flu in 1912 right when he was at his peak internationally. He was also a very good rower and Nordic Champion in 1911.
His 5'th place in the 1500 meter at the European Allround Championship in Hamar, Norway, 1911 is the single best Danish Speed Skating result. [Last international championship before he died].
Ejnar Sørensen - SpeedSkatingStats.com
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ejnar_Sørensen

So 106 years later Ejnar Sørensen's record best for Denmark was finally beaten:
It was Denmark's first world cup podium placing as Elena Møller-Rigas became second at the massstart at the World Cup in Calgary 1-3 december 2017 after legend Claudia Pechstein.
Source:
ISU World Cup Speed Skating Calgary

At the same event Victor Hald Thorup became 7th in the mens mass start.
Source:
ISU World Cup Speed Skating Calgary
That is promising for the olympics!

 

[Buffaloed]

How did Danmark become Denmark in English? Does it have something to do with Beowulf?

 

[Justinov]

How did Danmark become Denmark in English? Does it have something to do with Beowulf?

The Danes themselves (in their own understanding) are named after an mythological hero King Dan.
So Danes saw themselves as a people under this founder (at least from the histories written in the middle ages). In the viking age Scandinavians all saw themselves as one great people speaking "The Danish Tongue", but with different powerful families fighting for power.
Originally being "Danish" would perhaps have been those freemen loyal to the "Line of Dan", with other Scandinavians being loyal to other great houses.

The suffix -mark actually means "border territory" in Frankish. A Mark was an extended no-mans-land between two peoples. So the original "Dan-mark" was likely the west-germanic word for south Slesvig/Schleswig & north Holsten/Holstein specifically.
Whereas "Mark" today in Danish means a field for agricultural produce, these borderlands were originally deep forests, many of them probably called a "Myrkviðr" (old Norse) = "Mirkwood" as Tolkien called it in his world.
Then the name Dan-mark could at one point have been used for all the Danish territory.

What happened in Western Germanic language could be what we called a "folk etymology".
In west germanic languages the Danes became Denes (in Anglo-Saxon or for instance Deens in modern Dutch).
As English "den" means "low ground", so the English probably merged the two, so Denmark was understood as the "flat land" rather than the original meaning "border-forest to the Danes".

Denmark is very flat land, but that name could equally be applied to the Netherlands. Then again during the early viking age Frisia was actually some times under Danish control. So perhaps a early viking age usage (~800 AD) of "Denmark" actually would also include Frisia.

Beowulf is interesting as it does show a in depth knowledge about what happened politically in Scandinavia in the 6th century, but woven into a fantastic monster story with a Christian layer on top of it.
The hall "Heorot" of Beowulf (would be modern Danish Hjort = Deer) was in Lejre and recently a great hall from around ~550 AD has actually been excavated at Lejre. So "Heorot" has with all likelihood been found archaeologically.

It is clear that the scribe he wrote down the copy of beowulf we have preserved today simply didn't know some of the words he was copying. For instance Heruli and Merovingians he had no clue about and got their names totally messed up.

 

[Justinov]

KSF history:
Klubbens historie - KSF
They seriously needs some pictures on the net as this clubs just oozes history!

It does seem that someone at KSF took inspiration from my complaint or thought of it independently. Anyways KSF homepage now really have have much better information and attractive pictures of the club's history (though much more still can be mentioned and showed).

I'm quite happy to discover that KSF according to their own homepage really is in a recovery fase and the future looks very postive as they have been able to attract kids in Svanemøllen-Nordhavn area of Østerbro. When the new rink at Gasværksgrunden should be ready around 2020 it should improve even further.

To further attract kids (and perhaps sponsors) being able to draw on the cultural history that KSF actually has can only be a huge plus for the club and the development of icehockey overall in Denmark.
Here is the link to their improved homepage on the club's history.
Link: Klubbens historie - KSF