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I see Heiskanen being comparable to Jokiharju.
I'd say Heiskanen is a lot better than that so far. But we'll see.
I see Heiskanen being comparable to Jokiharju.
Oh the irony here...Same old story, more people watch eastern conference teams rather than western conference, thus Dahlin gets much more exposure. I bet no neutral fan just accidentally tunes in to a Dallas match, but lots do tune into Buffalo games.
Dahlin and it's not even close
Or because it’s so blatantly obvious?
After seeing this a few times now in this thread, and elsewhere on HF, I am now convinced that some posters just say it purely tongue in cheek, to drum up more debate because they know how close the two players really are.
Or maybe people just think Dahlin is the superior talent and there is a gap between these two.
After seeing this a few times now in this thread, and elsewhere on HF, I am now convinced that some posters just say it purely tongue in cheek, to drum up more debate because they know how close the two players really are.
Dahlin plays like a fourth forward. He lines up at defense, but he isn't by any means a defensive defenseman. To make him excel you need pair him with a stay-at-home defenseman. Sure he has some physicality, but most of the "good defensive plays" he makes are really puckhandling in a phone booth kinds of plays that allow him to clear the zone. Last year, Dahlin was very prone to make the rookie mistake, like the time he tried to glove a puck down but it was higher than he thought. It went over his head and an opposing player skated right around him to score. When he gaffs, he gaffs big.
That said, he's going to be a big star. I think Heiskanen will be too, but with more defense and less offense.
(Disclaimer: Sabres fan born and raised in Buffalo, living in the Dallas market now.)
Or because it’s so blatantly obvious?
Seriously, close this thread.
Or maybe people just think Dahlin is the superior talent and there is a gap between these two.
There is a gap that isn’t even close between eichel and mcdavid. It doesn’t mean eichel is dog shit. Don’t know why you are interring thatThe only "blatantly obvious" thing I see is that Buffalo and Dallas have two of the best young d-men in the game.
A gap that's "not even close", though?
I mean there's nothing wrong with Buffalo fans pimping their own guy, but it's not like Dallas is stuck with dog**** on the back end. Miro's pretty good too.
I just laugh when I see repetitive "Dahlin and it's not even close!!!" posts from HF's Buffalo backers.
Because it really is.
There is a gap that isn’t even close between eichel and mcdavid. It doesn’t mean eichel is dog ****. Don’t know why you are interring that
I see Heiskanen being comparable to Jokiharju.
The only thing I'm "interring" is this idea that Dahlin is in another stratosphere compared to Miro Heiskanen.
They're closer than you think.
That's all.
Watched some Stars and Sabres games this year and THIS season Heiskanen is on another level than Dahlin. Maybe Dahlin has the higher ceiling, but Heiskanen right now is playing dominant hockey in all three zones and in all situations, while Dahlin ist great on the PP, not doing much 5 on 5 and is a liability in his own zone while not playing PK or if the Sabres have to protect a lead.
Additionally to the eye test, here some comparisons from Natural Stat Tric (first number is Heiskanen, second Dahlin):
Average Ice time: 24:55 - 19:13
CF%: 49,63% - 47,34%
GF%: 59,09% - 47,06%
xGF%: 53,41% - 41,99%
HDCF%: 54,32% - 40,85%
Off.Zone Starts: 42,57% - 60,34%
And this on a team that SUCKED in the first 10 gamesView attachment 274105
It does seem like Heiskanen has been better at everything besides raw shot attempts for.
The sample is still too small to draw a serious conclusion from, but Heiskanen has had a much better start to the year so far.
Watched some Stars and Sabres games this year and THIS season Heiskanen is on another level than Dahlin. Maybe Dahlin has the higher ceiling, but Heiskanen right now is playing dominant hockey in all three zones and in all situations, while Dahlin ist great on the PP, not doing much 5 on 5 and is a liability in his own zone while not playing PK or if the Sabres have to protect a lead.
Additionally to the eye test, here some comparisons from Natural Stat Tric (first number is Heiskanen, second Dahlin):
Average Ice time: 24:55 - 19:13
CF%: 49,63% - 47,34%
GF%: 59,09% - 47,06%
xGF%: 53,41% - 41,99%
HDCF%: 54,32% - 40,85%
Off.Zone Starts: 42,57% - 60,34%
Dahlin ainec!Only on HF boards is scoring on the power play seen as a negative.
DAL 1920 Heiskanen Quality of Teammates and Competition
Heiskanen seems to play with anyone on his team at an equal rate while matching up primarily against opposing top lines.
BUF 1920 Dahlin Quality of Teammates and Competition
Dahlin plays with his own 1st and 2nd lines, while facing the opposing 3rd and 4th lines primarily.
And with the stats above combined, it’s not close right now. Dahlin is doing meh in his (honestly 3rd pairing) usage while Heiskanen is doing very well against top competition.
Worth noting is that Heiskanen plays for the far weaker team.
Heiskanen also is a first pairing PKer. How about Dahlin?
Sabres are 9-4-2 and Dallas 8-8-1.Dallas made the playoffs last season and was expected to this season as well, while few believed Buffalo would. Buffalo had a great start but has been bad lately. Dallas had a bad start but has been great lately. How does Heiskanen play on "the far weaker team"?