Dahlin/Mittlestadt vs. Hughes/Pettersson

[Icebreakers]

I have no horse in this race. But yes, Mittlestadt was better at the WJC and impressive in his time in the NHL.

Petterson wouldn't be the first guy who dominates on big ice but struggles with the transition. He definitely doesn't have a very strong track record on small ice - only 8 points in 13gp at the WJC (both years played on North American ice).

I'm not expecting him to struggle, but performance on big ice without equivalent dominance on small ice does come with a bit of an asterisk.

lol@ only comparing WJC stats to make your argument. Arent you the guy who said Gersich was a better player than Boeser? Lets just let time do the talking. I will never convince you out of your state of mind no matter what facts i bring up.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

lol@ only comparing WJC stats to make your argument. Arent you the guy who said Gersich was a better player than Boeser? Lets just let time do the talking. I will never convince you out of your state of mind no matter what facts i bring up.

What's wrong with WJC stats? Mittlestadt was also more productive at the U18, also played in North America. My only point is that he's yet to dominate on small ice. That's not to say he can't, but he's yet to do so in his limited opportunities thus far.

I said Gersich had the better season than Boeser - if you watched UND play in 16-17 you'd probably agree. But I never said that he'd be a better player lol.

 

[Critical13]

Pettersson is clearly more talented. There's nothing Middlestadt does that Pettersson can't.

You think Pettersson broke records by just cruising by? He didnt play with any special talent on his team. No one was near even a ppg. He has the best highlight reel of any NHL prospect. There's no argument for Middlestadt over Pettersson. I will admit they are close, but ones clearly better than the other.

Where did I say he cruised by?

Please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[Icebreakers]

Where did I say he cruised by?

Please don't put words in my mouth.

Im not putting more words in your mouth. You said they are similar in terms of talent. Pettersson is clearly the more talented player. The only knock on him is his size. Pettersson didnt break SHL records because of luck or teammates. It was all talent.

If you said they are similar in talent, and they are the same age, from the same draft class...then why did one produce under a ppg in college as a 19 year old and one break SHL records? Theres no logic in that.

 

[Icebreakers]

What's wrong with WJC stats? Mittlestadt was also more productive at the U18, also played in North America. My only point is that he's yet to dominate on small ice. That's not to say he can't, but he's yet to do so in his limited opportunities thus far.

I said Gersich had the better season than Boeser - if you watched UND play in 16-17 you'd probably agree. But I never said that he'd be a better player lol.

Like I said, Im never going to convince you otherwise. Lets just let time decide whose better.

 

[mattydamon]

For the dude saying Mitts ==> EP and saying his game may not translate - if you compare all of the players who put up similar (yet lower) to EP in his rookie season, they are all/were all NHL starts. Guys like Forsberg/Nillson/Naslund/Sedins etc.

For me Buf is the choice here due to Dahlin and the fact this guy can play both ends of the ice, but it's not that huge of a gulf.

Dahlin > EP/QH > Mitts (imo)

 

[cgf]

That literally makes 0 sense...

No doubt, but here we are. You won’t believe how often people bring up his PPG in college to denigrate the kid’s talent.

 

[cgf]

Pettersson is clearly more talented. There's nothing Middlestadt does that Pettersson can't.

You think Pettersson broke records by just cruising by? He didnt play with any special talent on his team. No one was near even a ppg. He has the best highlight reel of any NHL prospect. There's no argument for Middlestadt over Pettersson. I will admit they are close, but ones clearly better than the other.

The strawman game is strong with this one

 

[Critical13]

Im not putting more words in your mouth. You said they are similar in terms of talent. Pettersson is clearly the more talented player. The only knock on him is his size. Pettersson didnt break SHL records because of luck or teammates. It was all talent.

If you said they are similar in talent, and they are the same age, from the same draft class...then why did one produce under a ppg in college as a 19 year old and one break SHL records? Theres no logic in that.

Maybe we should wait until they are on a more level playing field? I don't think there is any clear gap in talent. Before draft day I said Petersson should go 2nd overall in 2017, so I am not some hater. I just think Mittelstadt has a very high talent level as well, and handles C better at the NHL level.

 

[Spirit of 67]

I've seen plenty of Dahlin but not much of the others.
And given how good a prospect he is, I'll take his group.

 

[Jeff Babchuk]

The Dahlia thank you!

 

[tony d]

The Buffalo duo, think the poll should be closer though.

 

[Tage2Tuch]

Hes clearly better than Middlestadt as of right now. Casey couldnt even put up a ppg in college whereas Pettersson broke the all time u20 record in the SHL. Theres no world where you can put Middlestadt over Pettersson as of now. You can say they are close, but Pettersson is surely ahead.

We'll see who does better then.

Mittlestadt was the MVP of the best tournament for the best of the best. Not just random EUropean players playing in a league and got 5 pts in 6 NHL games on a team that scored 198 goals.

Pettersen hasn't played a game yet,.

Don't be so sure.

 

[Icebreakers]

We'll see who does better then.

Mittlestadt was the MVP of the best tournament for the best of the best. Not just random EUropean players playing in a league and got 5 pts in 6 NHL games on a team that scored 198 goals.

Pettersen hasn't played a game yet,.

Don't be so sure.

This is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard. SHL = Random european players where WJC is best on best...

 

[bert]

I think one day Hughes Dahlin could be similar to Karlsson Hedman.

 

[Sabresruletheschool]

This is actually pretty close as of now. All 4 should be good players.

 

[Not My Tempo]

I really wish people would stop putting so much weight into world junior performance

 

[Brock Radunske]

Dahlin>>Hughes
Mittlestadt<Pettersson

Close but Buffalo wins

 

[mouz135]

I really wish people would stop putting so much weight into world junior performance

They just don't understand.

I'm looking at you, Whiskey, and all you sabres fans. I don't know why everyone keeps bringing up a couple games in a tournament. Like... ???

 

[chewbaccaman]

Dahlin makes this poll quite lopsided.

 

[Icebreakers]

I really wish people would stop putting so much weight into world junior performance

Well when you lose in 9/10 arguments it's it's natural to bring up the 1/10 so you have something to argue for.

 

[Love]

I really wish people would stop putting so much weight into world junior performance

I think many Canucks fans know all too well what happens when you put too much stock into a prospects WJC performance. Jordan Schroeder and Cody Hodgson were WJC legends and the hype was huge from Canucks fans largely because of that, but they obviously both were huge busts.

 

[Panthaz89]

I really don't think Hughes is that great.

 

[Panthaz89]

People preach sample size all day long on this board. You can’t judge a player based on such a small sample size they say.

But as soon as this poll pops up, everyone is using World Juniors and a 6 game nhl stint as proof that Mitts is a better prospect than Pettersson. Like, really guys? I’ll take Petterson’s body of work (season + playoffs) over a few games in a tournament.

at least Casey has proven he can be productive in the NHL...you know the league that they actually have to produce in.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

We'll see who does better then.

Mittlestadt was the MVP of the best tournament for the best of the best. Not just random EUropean players playing in a league and got 5 pts in 6 NHL games on a team that scored 198 goals.

Pettersen hasn't played a game yet,.

Don't be so sure.

Mittlestadt was the MVP in a U20 tournament.

If you think the U20 WJCs is on a higher level than SHL... I'm assuming you think half the players on the Swedish U20 team are dominating the SHL as well