Discussion in 'National Hockey League Talk' started by Kamiccolo, Dec 4, 2018 at 9:13 PM.
There's 2-4 locks currently playing.
Generational is thrown around wayyyy too loosely now
Ovi, Crosby, and potentially McJesus aren't generational? The 4th in my head was Malkin but who knows what he would have been on a top line so I suppose you can exclude him.
I'm of the mind generational is a hind sight thing but he's a great talent.
Generational Sabre, maybe.
Got anything except point pace to judge Dmen?
They've both been mostly good defensively, aside from the expected rookie derp here and there.
I didn't bother with defensive (i.e., possession) metrics because I don't put a ton of stock into them without proper context. But, for those that do, Dahlin has a 4.8%CFrel, and Heiskanen's is 0.3. FF%rel is 3.9 to 0.8. They both start about equally as often in the defensive zone as the offensive zone (with a slight preference toward D for both).
ETA for additional context, digging up some "advanced" stats for other recent teenage rookie D:
18yo Aaron Ekblad had 4.4CF%rel and 4.0FF%rel with heavy offensive zone starts. (His partner, Brian Campbell, was at 5.2 and 4.5 in those stats, respectively.)
19yo Drew Doughty was -2.6 and -3.8 with a slight preference for offensive zone starts.
19yo Victor Hedman was at 2.5 and 2.3 with near even zone starts.
19yo Adam Larsson was -0.8 and -2.7 with a slight preference for offensive zone starts.
19yo Jacob Trouba was -3.4 and -3.2 with a slight preference for defensive zone starts.
19yo Mikhail Servachev was 3.4 and 3.9 with VERY heavy offensive zone starts.
19yo Tyler Myers was -3.0 and -2.7 with near even zone starts.
19yo Zack Werenski was 6.2 and 5.3 with moderate offensive zone starts.
19yo Cam Fowler was -5.2 and -5.3 with a slight preference for offensive zone starts.
No, they aren't
Not on par with Hainesworth, Howe, Orr, Gretzky, Lemieux, Hasek
You'll know when we have a generational talent. That will be when a player completely dominates the game for multiple consecutive seasons
Jagr didn't share the spotlight though. He won 5 art ross trophies and Lemieux played a total of 43 games during those seasons. If we include Mcdavid, Crosby, Ovechkin, imo we need to include Jagr (who won 4 straight art rosses), Hasek, and Lidstrom.
So like Crosby and Ovie...
The only generational talents we've had in the last two decades are Ovie, Crosby, Matthews, Marner, and Rielly. It's a bit early to say Dahlin can reach those heights.
Generational was Howe, Orr, Gretzky and Lemieux. Peak Ovechkin was closer to generational than Crosby imo. Loosely it could be applied to Hasek since he was the best goalie.
You forgot marleau... never thought of him as generational, but something changed in his mid-thirties.
you dont listen to toronto sports radio do you? There are 3 on the team right now
No... they were not head and shoulders better year in and year out like the others were. You had Malkin, Seguin interloping some years.
They are more akin to Yzerman and Jagr
Kadri is a generational ass
You forgot Bozak.
No wait, he got traded.
Nylander! You forgot Nylander.
It’s worth saying that Bobby Orr scored 41 in 61 games, in a league that was even more low-scoring than the present. Only three players scored 70 points in the NHL that year.
And Ekblad scored 39 points as an 18 year old a few years ago.
11 pages and people still can't figure out this was sarcasm? Seriously debating this?
Was there threads for werenski being generational after his 19 year old season rookie season?
Why do people use the term generational for best ever? A generation is a time period of approx 20 years.
Dahlin and Marner are the only two generational talents that I see in that sorry bunch.
This list is useless without Tavares being mentioned.
Crosby did 102 points at 18 and 120 points at 19.
The next one who Will do this is not born yet.....so he is generetional
He won the art ross and the hart trophy at...19...
And...we never really seen his real prime because he almost not played at 23,24 and 25 years old...
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