CXLVIII - NHL BOG approves sale and relocation of Coyotes to Ryan Smith, league announces establishment of franchise in Utah

[Spydey629]

Well they won't be paying management fees anymore and they will be done with bond payments in 2033. So it looks like they've minimized the pain of a bad decision. Even if AM does get his arena built ASM will own Glendale's arena so they will be booking shows there. You've got Footprint downtown so what's going to be left for AM? How many three arena markets do you have other than LA and NY?

How big are we talking? Even Pittsburgh has more than three:

PPG: 18,000+ for hockey
Petersen Events Center (Pitt): 12,000
Duquesne: 6,000
Robert Morris: 4,000

That’s just indoor arenas. There’s three outdoor stadiums in the city, plus the Star Lake Amphitheater outside the city.

That doesn’t even include the multiple minor league arenas within a two-hour drive.

 

[Llama19]

Tempe voters distrusted the Arizona Coyotes more than supporters on the council. Why?

To quote:

"Tempe's contentious March election proved that voters disliked the Arizona Coyotes more than the officials who backed the team's plans for an arena, suggesting they are mostly happy with how the city develops.

Voters overwhelmingly chose pro-development and status quo candidates and approved a city proposal called General Plan 2050 that could increase urban growth.

The campaign itself was defined by two prominent factions:

- The first, a fiery opposition that misread the mood of Tempe voters, mistaking the Coyotes' defeat with a general distaste for development and a public desire to change the current approach to growth.

- The other was an established block of candidates who were anxious that the opposition might be right, which swept the ticket when voters rejected major changes to the status quo.

In regard to the discrepant outcome between the last two elections, [City Councilmember Randy] Keating pointed to what he called the Coyotes' "terribly inept" campaign. He contends that the Coyotes' ownership group simply "rubbed voters the wrong way," even if they liked hockey or were OK with large developments.

“A lot of the folks I talked to about the Coyotes weren't necessarily opposed to the deal or development to large, they just didn't trust the owners," Keating said. "They thought the ownership was a bad group of people, and unfortunately the ownership didn't do anything to dissuade them of that opinion throughout the whole election.”"

Source: www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2024/04/29/tempe-voters-coyotes-anti-development/73303660007/

 

[aqib]

How big are we talking? Even Pittsburgh has more than three:

PPG: 18,000+ for hockey
Petersen Events Center (Pitt): 12,000
Duquesne: 6,000
Robert Morris: 4,000

That’s just indoor arenas. There’s three outdoor stadiums in the city, plus the Star Lake Amphitheater outside the city.

That doesn’t even include the multiple minor league arenas within a two-hour drive.

Ok I was referring to major to league sized arenas. So it's basically NY, LA (assuming the Forum stays once Intuit is built) and Vegas.

 

[KevFu]

The whole "How many arenas do you need?" Thing is silly, because we're counting with a very narrow scope (Major PRO Sports Teams!) and ignoring everything else.


Every venue knows what it costs to open the building, turn on the lights and pay the staff. Above that amount is what's charged to the event that's RENTING the facility.

If the attendance/sales aren't big enough to cover that, it's the EVENT ORGANIZERS who's taking the loss, not the arena.

If you have a "third" Phoenix arena (It's not the third. Arizona State University has at least three by themselves) it would open when there's a justification to open it, and closed when there wasn't

 

[LadyStanley]

 

[Coyotedroppings]

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Also supplies replay up to the iPads on the bench.

Also looks for tendencies and analyzes systems for the coaching staff.

 

[GKJ]

 

[aqib]

The whole "How many arenas do you need?" Thing is silly, because we're counting with a very narrow scope (Major PRO Sports Teams!) and ignoring everything else.


Every venue knows what it costs to open the building, turn on the lights and pay the staff. Above that amount is what's charged to the event that's RENTING the facility.

If the attendance/sales aren't big enough to cover that, it's the EVENT ORGANIZERS who's taking the loss, not the arena.

If you have a "third" Phoenix arena (It's not the third. Arizona State University has at least three by themselves) it would open when there's a justification to open it, and closed when there wasn't

I mean supply and demand is a thing. Like Jersey discovered having the Meadowlands Arena and Prudential Center wasn't good anybody because there wasn't enough business for both. Nassau County was considering letting Las Vegas Sands take over the Nassau Coliseum site and possibly let them tear the arena down because there isn't enough business for both that and UBS.

So would a 3rd major league venue make sense in the Valley? If you figure all the tours attached to ASM are going to Glendale, what is going to be left after downtown?

Tempe voters distrusted the Arizona Coyotes more than supporters on the council. Why?

To quote:

In regard to the discrepant outcome between the last two elections, [City Councilmember Randy] Keating pointed to what he called the Coyotes' "terribly inept" campaign. He contends that the Coyotes' ownership group simply "rubbed voters the wrong way," even if they liked hockey or were OK with large developments.

“A lot of the folks I talked to about the Coyotes weren't necessarily opposed to the deal or development to large, they just didn't trust the owners," Keating said. "They thought the ownership was a bad group of people, and unfortunately the ownership didn't do anything to dissuade them of that opinion throughout the whole election.”"

Source: www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/tempe/2024/04/29/tempe-voters-coyotes-anti-development/73303660007/

Its almost as though Meruelo has an image problem and letting Gutierrez do all the talking for him was a bad idea...

 

[Fatass]

Seems like that owner was why the club had to relocate. The nhl will be back in Arizona but not with that owner.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Of course. It was obvious. Same with the players hating it. People tried to call them brats, which was ridiculous or calling it fake. As if Walsh would go out there lying.

 

[Llama19]

From the ESPN article...

 

[Spring in Fialta]

From the ESPN article...

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But we were totally wrong for saying that the primary motivator when the Coyotes would make trade was not taking cash back.

 

[Melrose Munch]

But we were totally wrong for saying that the primary motivator when the Coyotes would make trade was not taking cash back.

Everything was true. Sad. This league is always one long lockout away from extinction.

 

[aqib]

Seems like that owner was why the club had to relocate. The nhl will be back in Arizona but not with that owner.

The problem is that out of the billionaires who would make good owners, none of them have stepped up to buy the team despite the number of times it has been for sale.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Everything was true. Sad. This league is always one long lockout away from extinction.

What lol

 

[Melrose Munch]

What lol

Just that the management and picking of crappy owners will drive the NHL into a ditch at some point. There is always market instability somewhere in this league for some reason.

 

[GKJ]

Of course. It was obvious. Same with the players hating it. People tried to call them brats, which was ridiculous or calling it fake. As if Walsh would go out there lying.

Walsh was probably asked by Bettman himself to do it, to say nothing being motivated by establishing players' agency. This will get addressed in the CBA. What specific rights come out of it is anyone's guess, but it will never happen again.