Crosby Vs. Ovechkin Round 1

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  1. pei fan

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    9>8. :yo:
     
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    Crosby is still not at Ovechkin level. This tournament proved it IMO.
     
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    As far as I am concerned Ovechikin skated circles around Crosby talent wise. I was not impressed by Crosby at all...in fact I have the fear of Alex. Daigle in my heart when I watched Crosby here at the WJC. I hope he gets stronger because he is so easily bumped off the puck. The NHL is a long ways from the "Q"...I wouldn't crown him the next coming of Gretzky quite yet.

    Ovechikin, on the other hand, looks ready now. As does Malkin. And Carter. And Richards. And Pheneuf. But not Crosby.
     
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    Malkin did nothing that game... Canada focused completely on Ovechkin, injured him, causing him to miss half the game, and Ovechkin still badly outplayed Malkin.

    As for Crosby vs Ovechkin... Ovy is almost 2 full years older than Crosby as well, and Crosby at 17 is incredibly far ahead of Ovechkin at 17.
     
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    I wish you were joking but somehow I think you are serious. :dunno:
     
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    Chimaera same ol' Caps

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    Incredibly far ahead?


    I think you need to hold off on that prognostication. Ovechkin played solid as a 17 year old in the WJC's, and played decently in other tourneys that year. While not having played in the Q where Crosby doesn't have to deal with the physical game, or even the defensive side of the game if he doesn't want to, Ovechkin still showed a lot.


    Get over it. They're both solid prospects who have a long way to go before they earn back some of the hype they've been getting. Hopefully for the NHL's sake, they both turn out to be good players.



    But to say that Crosby is clearly better than Ovechkin, or the other way around is ignorant.
     
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    Crosby still needs to get stronger, he was good this year but not that good, let's just say that he was't the best forward on his team, I thought Carter was the best forward, this kid looks more then ready for the NHL and the Flyers are sure happy about that, but then again Carter is 2 years older.

    Ovechkin at this stage is better then Crosby, sure Crosby is better at this stage then Ovechkin when AO was the same age, but not by much, Ovechkin was very solid at 17, only time will tell.

    From Canada Phaneuf and Carter are more then ready for the NHL, Bergeron is already a pro so no need to talk about him, Getzlaf is pretty much also ready, and Richards is pretty close, Crosby needs another year or 2 before he's ready.
     
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    Its a mather of time.
    Ask yourself this question.
    What did Ovechkin do 2 (maybe 1) years ago in the WJC?
     
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    i honestly wasn't terribly impressed with ovechkin

    he didn't dazzle me or anything...played well...sometimes great, sometimes invisible...but not exactly the uber prospect everyone had built him up to be
     
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    Two years ago in Halifax:
    Ovechkin 6 games 6+1=7 4 PIMs and +/- +8 (2 GWG & Shooting% 33,33)

    Last year in Finland:
    Ovechkin 6 games 5+2=7 25PIMs and +/- +2

    This year:
    Ovechkin 6 games 7+4=11 4PIMs and +/- +6 (0 GWG & Shooting% 24,14)

    There ya go...
     
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    Maybe Crosby has been in the spotlight for too long and people are picking his game apart.

    Look at Kessel!! He is the same age as Crosby and everyone is creaming their pants over his play. Crosby had an equally as good Tournment and he is getting flack from fans.

    Also its not like he was given much ice in the last 2 games.
     
  13. Munchausen

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    OMG give your head a shake. There could not be a greater difference between Daigle and Crosby character wise. Daigle didn't care for the game. He was liking it just as long as he didn't have to put any effort into it to be successful. As soon as it got a bit rough, he gave up.

    Crosby gets better as the challenge increases. Never, ever has Daigle had the fire and passion Crosby has on the ice shift in shift out. I just cannot understand how someone could see ANY similarities between Crosby and Daigle other than the fact they were both extremely talented. If this is the whole basis of your argument, it is weak my friend.
     
  14. Jag68Sid87

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    Listen to La-La, the voice of reason.

    I'm a huge Crosby fan, but in my opinion Malkin impressed me more in this tournament than either No. 9 or No. 8.

    Also, let's not forget that Crosby played out of position the entire tournament. There's NO WAY Crosby plays LW in the pros. He's a natural center and that's where he'll make his living at the next level. Crosby was basically a role player in this tournament (scoring goals, playing the corners, power play specialist), and kudos for him for accepting the role and playing it well--though he can do so much more it's scary.

    Right now, I'd take Crosby, followed by Malkin, followed by Ovechkin. I just don't see the reason for the mega hype on Ovechkin. Yeah, he's a great talent. But he's a lot closer to Alexei Yashin than Crosby is to Alexandre Daigle--and believe me that is NOT a compliment.

    And there's no way he's as good as Ilya Kovalchuk, not right now anyway.

    To each his/her own, I suppose. Maybe it's just the curse of the Washington Crapitals.
     
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    Ovechkin made records as a 16 and 17 year old guy at the 18wjc for the most goals ever scored at the event. 14 goals that´s history...
     
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    Yeah... comparing them both at 17, Crosby is way ahead of Ovechkin.

    And apparantly I said at some point Ovechkin was terrible 2 years ago??? And you want to call me ignorant? Hey kettle... you're black. That whole statement you just made oozed ignorance.

    A). The RSL is not the most physical league in the world either.

    B). The Q sked is almost twice as long, with much worse travel conditions.

    C). Just because Crosby apparantly doesn't have to deal with the defensive side of the game (talk about ignorance... yeesh), doesn't mean he doesn't deal with it... he does.

    Get over what? Neither player will ever play for the team I cheer for... what do I have to get over?

    Funny you should talk about ignorance...
     
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    Also keep in mind for Crosby the simple fact that team Canada was loaded and he was not relied upon as much as Malkin and AO were. Canada was both willing and able to roll out multiple lines that every single team in this tournament had trouble containing. On the other hand, in order to shut down Russia you had to stop three players.
     
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    And what was Crosby doing at 16 and 17?

    Scoring 8 goals in the Under 20 tournament.

    Crosby never even played in the U-18's... so how about we compare what they do in the same tournament at respective ages?
     
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    I was very impressed with Crosby during the tournament. Strong, creative, smart, and as fast on the backcheck as he is with the puck.

    Ovechkin - explosive. When he gets the puck he reminds me of Modano.

    Both complete, but different, players.
     
  20. THE NEXT ONE #87

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    I´m sorry but Crosby isn´t better than Ovechkin at the same age. Ovechkin dominated as a 16 year old the whole tourney, he breaked the goal scoring record from Kovalchuk...

    By the way is there a chance that crosby will play at this years u18-wjc??
     
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    The point of my original post was that they finally faced off against each other
    and Crosby came ahead.There is always this subjective debate but we finally got
    to see them go head to head.Crosby's line had it all over Ovechkin's controlling
    the play most of the time they were on the ice together and creating some good scoring chances.For the few seconds that the russians got ahold of the puck Crosby was there to take it away.He checked,forechecked,backchecked,worked
    in the corners all well against Ovechkin plus created a couple of offensive opportunities.Ovechkin was contained with only 1 outside weak perimiter shot
    (at even strength).It was only too bad we didn't get to see them faceoff more
    because of the penalties and Ovechkin's injury(at the hand of Crosby),but clearly
    Crosby came out on top when they were on the ice together.
     
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    I think Canada has a rule that says if you've played for the U20 team, you can't compete for the U18 team. So Crosby never had any chance to break records at 16.

    Not quite. But you can keep telling yourself that.
     
  23. mytor4*

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    The point of my original post was that they finally faced off against each other
    and Crosby came ahead.There is always this subjective debate but we finally got
    to see them go head to head.Crosby's line had it all over Ovechkin's controlling
    the play most of the time they were on the ice together and creating some good scoring chances.For the few seconds that the russians got ahold of the puck Crosby was there to take it away.He checked,forechecked,backchecked,worked
    in the corners all well against Ovechkin plus created a couple of offensive opportunities.Ovechkin was contained with only 1 outside weak perimiter shot
    (at even strength).It was only too bad we didn't get to see them faceoff more
    because of the penalties and Ovechkin's injury(at the hand of Crosby),but clearly
    Crosby came out on top when they were on the ice together.

    this above man is the dumbest post i have every read.shows you no nothing about the game. look at who crosby had for linemates compared to ovechkin.not that i'm a ovechkin fan but if you had reversed each player with each team imagine what ovechkin would had done playing with bergeron.crosby would have folded like a tent in the wind playing against canada in that game also.
     
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    They both played exactly the same at 17 years ... Ovechkin 6 goals, 1 assist ... Crosby 6 goals, 3 assists ... those 2 assists mean nothing (different teams, linemates).
     
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    I would have to disagree completely with this. Crosby's character is no where near as flaky as Ovechikin's and he would not have deserted his team no matter how tough the going got. Everything including his past record indicates that Ovechkin is a classic bully a la Mike Tyson who thinks that he can get anything he wants. When he gets what he wants, he's as cocky as [email protected]#$ but once he can't get his way, he bails and become erratic and unpredictable.

    While, Crosby has shown nothing but maturity even at a younger age.

    I think this tournament showed that Ovechkin is probably further along than Crosby is at this point. However, Crosby is almost two years younger so that is hardly a surprise.

    The true surprise is for those who were expecting either of these two to be a young Wayne Gretzky. Wayne at age 16 led the tournament in scoring with 17pts playing on a very, very bad team. Now, I hope that Wayne Gretzky comparisons would finally stop.
     
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