Crosby Mystery Solved?

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  1. pei fan

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    Since late October Crosby has been playing the wing for Rimouski with pretty
    dismal results.His first day at WJC camp he's put on the wing with Bergeron as
    center and Perry as the other winger. So did Sutter have a conversation with
    Crosby a couple of months ago that went something like this:"Well Sid I have a
    returning first line center and an NHL center and you(not to mention a returning
    2nd line center).Sid,you're getting alot of attention at center(and hacked alot),
    maybe you could learn to play the wing and solve all our problems.
     
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    what?
     
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    It makes sense that a conversation like that came first. Why would the nics put
    him on the wing in the first place(unless he requested it) and why the heck would
    they keep him there especially when it was so obvious it wasn't working out.Just
    look at the results:production as a winger about half the production as a center
    (although he seems to be scoring better lately);production aside he just looked
    uncomfortable on the wing;the move made for a weaker 2nd line;and the team
    was losing.

    If Sutter didn't have a predetermined plan it would be pretty obvious to him
    (and anyone else ) that Crosby is a natural center and he'd put him there.
     
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    Also, I will add that if Crosby was at center he would be the focal point of the team,something Sutter probably doesn't want.
     
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    Yeah, because the rest of the team couldn't get it done. If anything, he WOULD want Crosby to be the focal point. One of Canada's main strengths is offensive depth; there's not a team in the tourney that can match them talent for talent. If he used Sid as the focal point, this would cause quite a few mismatches for the other teams.
     
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    yes i'm sure crosby shifted to wing and disregarded his own development as a player solely for the benefit of team canada and has spent the last 3 months preparing for 1 week in dec :shakehead

    because of course crosby isn't talented enough to shift from center to wing on a team like this without months of preparation
     
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    Are you saying that Crosby plays the wing in the Q sa that he can prepare for playing the wing at the WJC? If so, I don't think so. I think Rimouski's coach probably doesn't give a crap about the WJC and makes changes to his team to win games, not to please some WHL coach.
     
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    lat october is false... Crosby only play on the wing during late november dans december for about 6 games...
     
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    Well first of all it was 6 weeks not 3 months and secondly who is to say that he
    looked at it as disregarding his own development.Perhaps he thought of it as
    making him more well rounded.Also if you look at my previous posts there is the
    aspect that it would take some pressure off him being hacked so much.Rimouski
    was pretty concerned with that too, so maybe it wasn't so hard to buy into it.
     
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    I am sorry but you are wrong .I saw him play Oct. 31 in Moncton and Nov.1st PEI
    and some games on TV after that.On Oct. 31 and Nov.1 he played center with
    different wingers in the 1st periods and in the 2nd and 3rd periods he played on
    the wing with Pouliot as the center and Roussin as the other winger.You can go to
    the Q website and see under results that for those games and ALL the games since he has 3- 10 faceoffs per game with Pouliot usually over 30.You can also see that they have been playing on the same line.It's right there in black and white.At first he was just playing wing for the 2nd and 3rd periods but later it was for the entire game.
     
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    I hate that. Put him back at center, period.
     
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    That's my point,anyone that has seen him play both positions THIS YEAR would
    know that he is much more effective as a Center.Heck,you wouldn't even need
    to see him play wing to know that his skills are better suited at center.
    Whenever anyone talks about Crosby they talk about his anticipation/vision
    and his puck carrying ability.Well, he doesn't carry the puck as much as a winger
    and nor does he quarterback the play as much as he would at center.

    So to elaborate on my point,he is obviously better at center than on wing in
    Rimouski(plus at center they would have a better second line making it harder
    for opposing teams to keep in check) so there has to be another reason and
    all I'm saying in my original post is maybe this is the reason.
     
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    Okay, if my theory isn't the reason someone tell me why the quinessential center
    is playing wing even when the results have been so poor(compared to center).
    By the way his +/- has also suffered since he's been on wing.It has improved lately and he is adjusting to the wing better lately(it seems).
     
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    I listened on radio and/or TV to every Rimouski's game and I can assure you that the first FULL game that Crosby played on the wing was November 28th against PEI.
    Since then he has played all games on the wing except half of the last one.

    on November 28th that was the first game in 2 years that Crosby-Roussin-Pouliot played together...

    They played togetehr on the Powerplay and they have played some 3rd period together or shifts near ends or period when the teams needs goal.

    But 100% sure that November 28th was the first full game for Crosby on the wing...

    Pouliot has more faceoffs because he often go on the ice just to take the faceoffs and then go back to the bench.

    Also when the faceoffs are in the offensive zone Roussin often takes de FaceOffs with Crosby in front of the net trying for a quick play...
     
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    And to proove even more my points I have some stats about 10 games played in November...
    Nov 5 Crosby 18 faceoffs Pouliot 30 faceoffs
    Nov 6 Crosby 15 faceoffs Pouliot 20 faceoffs
    Nov 9 Crosby 23 faceoffs Pouliot 26 faceoffs
    Nov 12 Crosby 21 faceoffs Pouliot 19 faceoffs
    Nov 13 Crosby 28 faceoffs Pouliot 19 faceoffs
    Nov 14 Crosby 19 faceoffs Pouliot 27 faceoffs
    Nov 17 Crosby 21 faceoffs Pouliot 19 faceoffs
    Nov 19 Crosby 35 faceoffs Pouliot 21 faceoffs
    Nov 20 Crosby 24 faceoffs Pouliot 25 faceoffs
    Nov 26 Crosby 13 faceoffs Pouliot 25 faceoffs

    Now explain to me how you can say that Crosby played on the wing on those games!!?? :)
     
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    Dismal results?
    He only has 15 points in his last 8 games.
     
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    Dismal results? Last time I checked, he was leading the Q in scoring by atleast 10 points and continually being recognized the game's top stars.

    I don't really think Rimouski gives a $hat about Sutter's aspirations for team Canada compared to what they need to do to be successful.

    There's a lot of reasons Crosby could be playing the wing for the Oceanic. I don't think Sutter is one of them.
     
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    Exactly.

    Considering how "dismal" Crosby has been this season he's still running away with the scoring title.
     
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    Because Rimouski sucks and they loaded up 1 line to try and dominate games.

    There isnt a conspiracy theory. Pouliot is better at faceoffs, therefore Crosby plays wing instead of Pouliot.
     
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    I still believe Crosby will play center. it´s just exhibition so far.

    If not they are moroons.....

    Why wing???
     
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    PEI fans..? I'm still waiting for your strong arguments saying that Crosby played on the wing for all the month of October...
     
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    Well, first of all I never said he played on the wing for all the month of Oct.,but
    I was wrong with some of my comments,but so were you.I said he started playing
    the wing sometime in late Oct. and that is correct.I saw him play Oct. 31 and Nov.1 live and he played wing the entire 2nd and 3rd periods of those games.I also chatted with guys on boards for games after that and was told he was still on the wing but looking over the boxscores from the games in Nov. you highlited he wasn't on the wing as much as I thought through that period.HOWEVER if you
    look closely at the boxscores he is playing with Pouliot and Roussin in some of
    those games and from the games I've seen and what guys have told me on other
    message boards is thst they would share the faceoffs but as far as positioning
    Pouliot played center. I looked at recent boxscores for faceoffs and the large gap of overall faceoffs between Pouliot and Crosby 400 + and putting that together with the games I saw I made some assumptions.I will revise my statement to say
    he virtually played 10-12 games on wing.
     
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    he played 7 full games on the wing but on the PowerPlay he is never at cneter and he is with Pouliot and Roussin..

    Plus sometimes as I told before the coach decide to put the 3 big guys together near ends of period or in the third when looking for goals...
     
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    I have it as 11 games at wing (4 of them for 2 periods and 7 full games).But yeah
    I think what you're saying is right,they also put them together in the 3rd.On the
    power play he plays on the point, which again doesn't make sense to me.
     
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    He often plays on the wing for the 1st powerplay and then moove on to the point for the second one meaning that he can spend the full 2 minutes on the ice quite often
     
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