Eklund Rumor: Crawford to the Islanders

[JaegerDice]

SHNeider >>>>> crawford.

Except for you know, literally any measure taken over the last 5 years.

Hell, he's behind only 2 or 3 goalies in sv% since the 2012-2013 season.

 

[72hockey guy]

I’m not separating him from his injury. As a team looking to acquire him, it would weigh heavily on my decision. And I would leave it at that and move on.

But, there is no solid report (to my knowledge) that he is even being shopped. Yet there is no shortage of hyperbolic statements belittling his play in comparison to other goalies.

Moreover, if Chicago honestly feels he can return from his injury. Then that inherently impacts his value to them.

he's not being shopped because he hasnt been cleared to play until that happens he has No value to anyone, chicago's opinion of him means nothing. the only opinions that matter at this point are the doctors both from the team and League.

they have both a professional and personal Liability. if they clear him to play and he dies, they could end up in prison

 

[Kevin Musto]

Crawford is a top 5 goalie in this league, maybe top 3. Y'all Islanders fans are really undervaluing him. Gonna have to pay up for Crow.

 

[Islesfan22]

Crawford is a top 5 goalie in this league, maybe top 3. Y'all Islanders fans are really undervaluing him. Gonna have to pay up for Crow.

I agree that Crawford is a top 5 goalie if healthy. Not sure what his value is considering he has head issues and a steep contract.

 

[72hockey guy]

Crawford is a top 5 goalie in this league, maybe top 3. Y'all Islanders fans are really undervaluing him. Gonna have to pay up for Crow.

we arent undervaluing him at all. He's got a serious head injury, and is not currently cleared to play. we went through the exact same thing with Grabovski so we understand that until he is cleared to play he has no value. its that simple.

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even the organization acknowledges the injury could be career ending and there have been no updates since february only speculation

Mark Lazerus of the Chicago Sun-Times raised a great point about head injuries:

Head injuries are as cruel and mysterious as they are dangerous, and the recoveries are often long and maddening. One day, you might feel like your old self; the next, you might need to spend the day in a room with the lights low and the curtains drawn. These things aren’t linear, nor are they predictable.

until a doctor is willing to go on record about any improvement he literally has NO VALUE

id say Blackhawk fans are overvaluing him, since there has been no medical update since february and until he stops dealing with Symptoms there wont be

 

[CupHolders]

he's not being shopped because he hasnt been cleared to play until that happens he has No value to anyone, chicago's opinion of him means nothing. the only opinions that matter at this point are the doctors both from the team and League.

they have both a professional and personal Liability. if they clear him to play and he dies, they could end up in prison

Yes, him needing to be medically cleared to continue his career should be understood. If and when that happens the Hawks will... Still not trade him for some of the proposal suggested here and gladly give him the opportunity to play in their net.

 

[72hockey guy]

Yes, him needing to be medically cleared to continue his career should be understood. If and when that happens the Hawks will... Still not trade him for some of the proposal suggested here and gladly give him the opportunity to play in their net.

the proposals made here from both sides mean Squat, unless you take his situation into account, which I am doing. you may think they are ridiculous but if he never plays again, those offers will have been as a matter of FACT, an overpay.

the point being that until more is known medically, it is Impossible to accurately assess his value

 

[CupHolders]

the proposals made here from both sides mean Squat, unless you take his situation into account, which I am doing. you may think they are ridiculous but if he never plays again, those offers will have been as a matter of FACT, an overpay.

the point being that until more is known medically, it is Impossible to accurately assess his value

Did I not just take the situation into account the post that you quoted? Your whole argument is based on him being injured. I understand that as an issue. I don't think it needs to be overly emphasized as it is inherently obvious.

If he isn't cleared he doesn't play for ANYONE

If he is cleared, he'll be worth more to the Hawks than to what you are suggesting (Free and Hawks retain half his cap)

 

[No Fun Shogun]

Crow's only getting traded if the Hawks think he's done due to his injuries and hopes that another team bites on his past history of excellence or if the team is really ready to blow it up. I'm not buying either.

 

[72hockey guy]

Crow's only getting traded if the Hawks think he's done due to his injuries and hopes that another team bites on his past history of excellence or if the team is really ready to blow it up. I'm not buying either.

absolutely true on both counts... at first i was wondering if I was the only one who read that he was hurt because even the Hawk fans were acting like it was no big deal. Im glad someone else sees this logically too

 

[Chapin Landvogt]

Is there a belief that Chicago needs to move Crawford? As in, likely for financial reasons?

Or do they want to move him, because they actually want to restructure and get another goalie (i.e. Schneider) in the process?

I know many Islander fans expect (and hope) that Lou is coming in to make major changes, cost what they will (and many of these fans think the 4 top 43 picks the NYI have should automatically be the currency), but the NYI have a lot of pieces and personnel who should have a bit of value and who appear to be in limbo in Islanderville.

I'd have to think that if he were to target Crawford and the Blackhawks are in business for the above reasons, then a deal for something like Greiss (salary dump, still much cheaper than Crawford), Ho-Sang (untapped potential, but possible headache) and Wotherspoon (solid young Dman with NHL possibilities) would have to be about the fairest maximum that Lou should have to pay to bring in an expensive goalie coming off a season more or less missed for health reasons.

If it takes "Top 45" draft picks to make such a move possible (and yes, of course every team wants to move older, cap-strapping vets that they don't want for shiny new draft picks in a strong draft), I'd have to think and hope Lou is far too intelligent for that and would seek his goaltending answers elsewhere.

 

[thesaadfather]

Is there a belief that Chicago needs to move Crawford? As in, likely for financial reasons?

Or do they want to move him, because they actually want to restructure and get another goalie (i.e. Schneider) in the process?

I know many Islander fans expect (and hope) that Lou is coming in to make major changes, cost what they will (and many of these fans think the 4 top 43 picks the NYI have should automatically be the currency), but the NYI have a lot of pieces and personnel who should have a bit of value and who appear to be in limbo in Islanderville.

I'd have to think that if he were to target Crawford and the Blackhawks are in business for the above reasons, then a deal for something like Greiss (salary dump, still much cheaper than Crawford), Ho-Sang (untapped potential, but possible headache) and Wotherspoon (solid young Dman with NHL possibilities) would have to be about the fairest maximum that Lou should have to pay to bring in an expensive goalie coming off a season more or less missed for health reasons.

If it takes "Top 45" draft picks to make such a move possible (and yes, of course every team wants to move older, cap-strapping vets that they don't want for shiny new draft picks in a strong draft), I'd have to think and hope Lou is far too intelligent for that and would seek his goaltending answers elsewhere.

Nope, Crawford has carried the Hawks for the better part of 3 years. This is just Eklund being Eklund.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

if Tavares re-sign in New York, would it be possible to package Barzal for price and + ?

To Mtl:
Barzal
Halak

To Islanders:
Price ( retained 3M)
Mete or Juulsen

 

[CodeE]

if Tavares re-sign in New York, would it be possible to package Barzal for price and + ?

To Mtl:
Barzal
Halak

To Islanders:
Price ( retained 3M)
Mete or Juulsen

Mighty tempting deal, I must say. Let me make some minor tweaks and propose this as a counter:

To NYI:
3rd overall
Niemi

To MTL:
Ladd ( retained 2M)
Pelech or Mayfield

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Mighty tempting deal, I must say. Let me make some minor tweaks and propose this as a counter:

To NYI:
3rd overall
Niemi

To MTL:
Ladd ( retained 2M)
Pelech or Mayfield

I love Pelech, but doesn't Islanders need their young talented D ?
Plus, Mtl reaallllllly need a good Center prospect.

 

[CodeE]

I love Pelech, but doesn't Islanders need their young talented D ?
Plus, Mtl reaallllllly need a good Center prospect.

Shoot, we don't really have any good center prospects right now. Looking to maybe take Velano in the draft if he falls to us. Kyle Schempp maybe is our best center prospect right now, and he couldn't even crack the AHL squad.

 

[HockeyDBspecialist]

Shoot, we don't really have any good center prospects right now. Looking to maybe take Velano in the draft if he falls to us. Kyle Schempp maybe is our best center prospect right now, and he couldn't even crack the AHL squad.

what would be the price on Beauvillier ?

 

[SI90]

what would be the price on Beauvillier ?

très haut

 

[72hockey guy]

Is there a belief that Chicago needs to move Crawford? As in, likely for financial reasons?

Or do they want to move him, because they actually want to restructure and get another goalie (i.e. Schneider) in the process?

I know many Islander fans expect (and hope) that Lou is coming in to make major changes, cost what they will (and many of these fans think the 4 top 43 picks the NYI have should automatically be the currency), but the NYI have a lot of pieces and personnel who should have a bit of value and who appear to be in limbo in Islanderville.

I'd have to think that if he were to target Crawford and the Blackhawks are in business for the above reasons, then a deal for something like Greiss (salary dump, still much cheaper than Crawford), Ho-Sang (untapped potential, but possible headache) and Wotherspoon (solid young Dman with NHL possibilities) would have to be about the fairest maximum that Lou should have to pay to bring in an expensive goalie coming off a season more or less missed for health reasons.

If it takes "Top 45" draft picks to make such a move possible (and yes, of course every team wants to move older, cap-strapping vets that they don't want for shiny new draft picks in a strong draft), I'd have to think and hope Lou is far too intelligent for that and would seek his goaltending answers elsewhere.

i dont see the islanders having ANY INTEREST IN CRAWFORD . especially after waiting 2 years on Grabovski. Crawford would have to show hes fully recovered before any trade and that would go in season at the earliest.

one would assume the Islanders would address their goaltending before the season so that effectively would take them out of any pursuit of crawford simply because they cant wait for him to prove he is healthy. Even if he starts the season . hed need a month to prove himself, and the Islanders arent going to wait to address the need for a goalie

 

[CupHolders]

i dont see the islanders having ANY INTEREST IN CRAWFORD . especially after waiting 2 years on Grabovski. Crawford would have to show hes fully recovered before any trade and that would go in season at the earliest.

one would assume the Islanders would address their goaltending before the season so that effectively would take them out of any pursuit of crawford simply because they cant wait for him to prove he is healthy. Even if he starts the season . hed need a month to prove himself, and the Islanders arent going to wait to address the need for a goalie

Looking at it strictly from an Islanders’ perspective and not addressing the Hawks...

I think that is a perfectly fair analysis.

 

[thesaadfather]

I really don't understand this rumor. The Hawks had awful goaltending this year so they're going to trade the guy who led them to two cups and is one of the best goaltenders in the league? This is a head-scratcher even considering the source.

 

[Jay haller]

I really don't understand this rumor. The Hawks had awful goaltending this year so they're going to trade the guy who led them to two cups and is one of the best goaltenders in the league? This is a head-scratcher even considering the source.

Except he’s not and has never carried a team i’d Rather have brian Elliot or Andrew Hammond

 

[CallMeShaft]

Except he’s not and has never carried a team i’d Rather have brian Elliot or Andrew Hammond

I'm glad you're not our GM...

 

[Jay haller]

I'm glad you're not our GM...

BUT HFBoards says he’s not elite and not worth his contract

 

[CallMeShaft]

BUT HFBoards says he’s not elite and not worth his contract

HF is allowed to be wrong every once and awhile.