Prospect Info: Coyotes Top Prospects 2017 - #4 (Poll closes at 4:30)

Vinny Boombatz

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haha 1st.

Just think that PO has more upside than any of the remaining prospects.

I really like Wood and Merkley both, but I think PO has another level.
 

Matias Maccete

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Voting wood, mostly because I haven't seen much of Joseph. He did look pretty good at the scrimmage. Kind of a toss up for me I guess.
 

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Joseph and I don't think Wood is close, again. People are getting a player that's 3 years older and thus closer mixed up with a guy that's just a straight up better prospect.
 

Muppet

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Wood has a lot of work to do on his even strength game. He's essentially a PP specialist right now.
 

PhoPhan

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Voted Joseph. Merkley is next.

Joseph is far and away the best defensive prospect in the system.
 

LuckyNumber11

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I went with Wood but PoJo is right there too. Should be the closest vote for sure. I think Wood gets a nudge for me just because he's closer and I'm more confident in how he's gonna play out
 

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I went with Wood but PoJo is right there too. Should be the closest vote for sure. I think Wood gets a nudge for me just because he's closer and I'm more confident in how he's gonna play out

That's not really a vote for the "best" prospect then.

If the Coyotes drafted Makar would you have rated him behind Wood? What about Owen Tippett?

I'd also ask what makes you so confident he's a lock to be an NHLer when he faded over the 2nd half of the season (lacks consistency) and put up similar numbers to both Rundblad and Gormley. Those guys weren't exactly slam dunks, and had similar problems to Wood (skating, physicality, D zone play). People need to pump the brakes a bit. POJ is 18 and most of his tools/abilities are already better than Wood who is 21. Wood has his shot and his weight, Joseph has everything else. POJ is a better prospect. Wood is really nice to have with DeAngelo gone but let's not have visions of Parayko part two dance in our heads too much.

We had this same talk when it came to Perlini and Duclair. People went with Duclair even though Perlini was a bigger, stronger (nearly identical) player that was moving along his developmental curve a lot better at the time. How many of you would take Duclair over Perlini now?
 

Gwyddbwyll

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Conversely many people were enthusiastic about Merkley's potential and were voting for him over Dvorak. It's an old argument of whether 7B is better than 8D to paraphase HF's old rating system - 7B being more likely to reach their lower ceiling than a 8D prospect.

Add Hickey, even though we're apparently not likely to get him to sign?
 

lanky

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I'm so out of the loop.... Who is Joseph?

The Coyotes top pick in the '17 draft.

He's an all around good defenseman. Skates beautifully, heads up passer. He sprouted up in height during the past season, he's young relative to his draft and could be a late bloomer. His older brother exploded offensively after being drafted.
 

Plub

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I went with Merk, but understand Joseph. I think he's going to be very useful to us. Great first pass, great skating, and great hockey sense. Even if the doesn't fill out like we would want him to and doesn't develop much of an offensive game, the traits he does have guarantee him a career in the NHL.

I went with Merk because I have a gut feeling he will surprise everyone.
 

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Joesph is in a prove it year. Numerous publications/analysts had that pick as a bit of a reach so fast tracking him at this point might be premature. If this is 2012 draft repeat you can't trust the scouting lists though so I get those that are looking at attributes and hoping the sum is greater than the parts.
 

Plub

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Joesph is in a prove it year. Numerous publications/analysts had that pick as a bit of a reach so fast tracking him at this point might be premature. If this is 2012 draft repeat you can't trust the scouting lists though so I get those that are looking at attributes and hoping the sum is greater than the parts.

I don't think anyone wants to fast track him. I think the opposite is the best way to go with him. Absolutely no rush with Poj.
 

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Sum greater than the parts? Can you spell out what you mean by this in relation to POJ?

Sure. He has great attributes. Skating, speed, first pass, height but he's yet to dominate at junior level. He's very much a project pick and there were more highly touted players on the board (ie Vesaelainen) at 23 and several so called experts felt he went a tad early. Right now he projects out to be a top 4D if he can put it all together and add sufficient mass. He's at least 3 years away. Wood, may not have the same ceiling and lacks on the skating front but he's produced at the pro level at a rate that was above expectations.
 

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Sure. He has great attributes. Skating, speed, first pass, height but he's yet to dominate at junior level. He's very much a project pick and there were more highly touted players on the board (ie Vesaelainen) at 23 and several so called experts felt he went a tad early. Right now he projects out to be a top 4D if he can put it all together and add sufficient mass. He's at least 3 years away. Wood, may not have the same ceiling and lacks on the skating front but he's produced at the pro level at a rate that was above expectations.

A lot of words to say "Wood is 6'5, he wins" ;)
 

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A lot of words to say "Wood is 6'5, he wins" ;)

In a year I hope Oliver jumps ahead of Wood in rankings. I could very much see that. Today though based on the season Wood just had I think he's clearly ahead.
 

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In a year I hope Oliver jumps ahead of Wood in rankings. I could very much see that. Today though based on the season Wood just had I think he's clearly ahead.

He was bad defensively and completely faded the final 2/3rds of the season. A lot of hype over a hot start and not much else. Didn't even earn a cup of coffee for his efforts. I don't see it as a dominant season.
 

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My argument for PO in the last thread kind of collapsed on itself in this one, because i voted for Wood. I think at this point, P.O. has a higher ceiling but I can't get over the fact that he was kind of an off the board pick considering who was available. That being said, some people considered OEL to be an off the board pick at the time.

As of right now however, Wood looks like he could be on pace to be something special.
 

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He was bad defensively and completely faded the final 2/3rds of the season. A lot of hype over a hot start and not much else. Didn't even earn a cup of coffee for his efforts. I don't see it as a dominant season.

Was anyone here touting Oliver as a potential impact D prior to the draft? I think there's a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking based on where we picked Oliver. Not for anything he did on the ice.

Wood was an all-star in the AHL last season.
 

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