Coyotes comp'd at least 2500 tickets per game in 2005-06

[Hawker14]

A recent article in Inside Hockey by Timothy Gassen had some interesting numbers from Coyotes President Doug Moss. http://www.insidehockey.com/columns/446

Moss reports the Coyotes have tallied the third-largest jump in paid tickets among all NHL teams in the 2006-07 season, though game attendance appears to be down about 1,000 fans per game. The reason for the apparent numbers discrepancy is actually a positive sign for the Coyotes. “We actually have given away far less complimentary tickets this year, while selling close to 12 percent more,” he said. “So while there might be less people in the building, more of them have paid, and that’s the growth that signals a strong future for us.”

The Coyotes rank 24th in attendance among the NHL’s 30 teams, averaging 14,622 fans through 29 of 41 home games this season.

The Coyotes announced tickets distributed in '05-'06 of 15,582. Calculating the numbers, and presuming the best case scenario that Phoenix is only comping 46 tickets per game to their players this season (as per the CBA)

14,622-46=14,572
14,572/1.12= 13,011 paid attendance in '05-'06.
15,582-13,011= 2,571

2,571 complimentary tickets were given away per game in '05-'06 in the best case scenario for the Coyotes, which leaves only 13,011 paid tickets per game. wow, quite a difference from the announced "attendance".



Presuming the Coyotes are distributing a similar amount of complimentary tickets that the Predators are this season (1500):

14,622-1500=13,122
13,122/1.12= 11,716 paid attendance in '05-'06
15,582-11,716 = 3,866

If the Coyotes are distributing a similar amount of freebies that the Preds are this season (1500), that would mean 3,866 free tickets were given away for every game in '05-'06, but this is just speculation.

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[Hunter Gathers]

For a second I read this as cop'd. Like they stole 2500 tickets per game.

Haha.

 

[EbencoyE]

For a second I read this as cop'd. Like they stole 2500 tickets per game.

Haha.

Who would steal a Coyotes ticket? I'm surprised they can even give them away.

 

[GSC2k2*]

2,571 complimentary tickets were given away per game in '05-'06 in the best case scenario for the Coyotes, which leaves only 13,011 paid tickets per game. wow, quite a difference from the announced "attendance".

And yet still more tickets than were distributed to the good citizens of Winnipeg in all but two years of their existence (and those two years were just barely over), without taking into account even a single freebie that Winnipeg distributed (which wasn't zero).

 

[razorsedge]

And yet still more tickets than were distributed to the good citizens of Winnipeg in all but two years of their existence (and those two years were just barely over), without taking into account even a single freebie that Winnipeg distributed (which wasn't zero).

Face it Mr. gscarpenter, Pheonix is a joke of a hockey market. Winnipeg with a beautiful arena, smaller population, and average income did just as well (or bad) as Pheonix.

You may make some decent points on why a franchise may not work in Winnipeg now, but stop with the BS that Pheonix is a better market, or that it's been more of a success. There was better places that the Jets franchise could have gone instead of Pheonix that would have worked out better.

 

[razorsedge]

The only tradition that the Coyotes/Jets franchise has kept since leaving Winnipeg is it's on ice success.

 

[OG6ix]

Face it Mr. gscarpenter, Pheonix is a joke of a hockey market. Winnipeg with smaller population, and average income did just as well (or bad) as Pheonix.

You may make some decent points on why a franchise may not work in Winnipeg now, but stop with the BS that Pheonix is a better market, or that it's been more of a success. There was better places that the Jets franchise could have gone instead of Pheonix that would have worked out better.

Correction, Phoenix is a joke of a team. The fans came out when the team was winning in the 90s. Remember their white out?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

You may make some decent points on why a franchise may not work in Winnipeg now, but stop with the BS that Pheonix is a better market, or that it's been more of a success. There was better places that the Jets franchise could have gone instead of Pheonix that would have worked out better.

It's funny that you don't seem to have an issue with hawker14's agenda.

 

[razorsedge]

Remember their white out?

 

[razorsedge]

It's funny that you don't seem to have an issue with hawker14's agenda.

why would I?

 

[Bear of Bad News]

why would I?

That's my point.

 

[XX]

Sweet. Another "Drag Phoenix through the mud" thread. Never mind the fact that the vast majority (90%) of comp'd tickets were for corporate friends and freebies to season ticket holders and mini pack holders.

I'd also like to know if he counted the pre season as the free tickets.

 

[GSC2k2*]

Face it Mr. gscarpenter, Pheonix is a joke of a hockey market. Winnipeg with a beautiful arena, smaller population, and average income did just as well (or bad) as Pheonix.

You may make some decent points on why a franchise may not work in Winnipeg now, but stop with the BS that Pheonix is a better market, or that it's been more of a success. There was better places that the Jets franchise could have gone instead of Pheonix that would have worked out better.

Face it, Mr. Razorsedge, Winnipeg did not do "just as well". You unfortunately have everything but the numbers in your favour.

I am not sure how "Pheonix" is as a market, but Phoenix outstrips Winnipeg in every way. Read the posts above. No taking into account of whatever freebies were given away in Winnipeg (and you can guarantee there were some**). Comparing the low ebb in Phoenix with the absolute best that Winnipeg ever did. What a silly argument.

**: note that freebies are not simply given out in order to "paper the house", as they say. They are given to corporate partners, key season ticket holders, ownership friends/family, etc., etc., the list goes on. They are corporate currency and are used by owners in the same way as they are used by companies who buy boxes, season tickets, etc. It is an easy thing to give for ownership groups who won't have a sellout on an early November Wednesday, for example. Phoenix does it now. Winnipeg did it then. Every team does it to varying degrees.

 

[BenThatcher]

Somehow I doubt the Leafs are giving away free tickets........

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Somehow I doubt the Leafs are giving away free tickets........

I guarantee you that they do. Have Toronto radio stations ever had "Win Leaf Ticket" promotions?

 

[Sotnos]

Somehow I doubt the Leafs are giving away free tickets........

Of course they are. Some big shot suite owner or big time sponsor calls them up and wants a few extra, you think they say "no"? EVERY team reserves some seats to give as perks, at the very least. They no doubt give some to charities throughout the year also, or at least I hope they do.

 

[BenThatcher]

A ticket in Toronto is worth 20,000 in silly markets like Phoenix and Nashville.

 

[Sotnos]

A ticket in Toronto is worth 20,000 in silly markets like Phoenix and Nashville.

I love when someone new shows up on this board and really gives us some meaningful input and good points to ponder.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

A ticket in Toronto is worth 20,000 in silly markets like Phoenix and Nashville.

What in the world does that mean?

And by your "argument", the Leafs must give away millions and millions of tickets every year. I mean, if Toronto tickets are worth 20,000 Phoenix tickets and all.

I mean, thanks for showing up to the debate table and all, but bring something with meat to it, for Chrissake.

Just because you've now figured out that even the Toronto Maple Leafs give away tickets, that doesn't mean that you need to resort to silly non-statements.

 

[EbencoyE]

A ticket in Toronto is worth 20,000 in silly markets like Phoenix and Nashville.

Maybe to someone stupid enough to pay that much (or anything) for a Toronto game.

 

[Rob]

I wonder which organizations gives away the most tickets?
I've heard that the Florida attendence figures are pretty misleading.

 

[Danny__K]

And yet still more tickets than were distributed to the good citizens of Winnipeg in all but two years of their existence (and those two years were just barely over), without taking into account even a single freebie that Winnipeg distributed (which wasn't zero).

true but the one thing Phoenix has that Winnepeg didn't is potential.

 

[MAROONSRoad]

I am not sure how "Pheonix" is as a market, but Phoenix outstrips Winnipeg in every way. Read the posts above. No taking into account of whatever freebies were given away in Winnipeg (and you can guarantee there were some**). Comparing the low ebb in Phoenix with the absolute best that Winnipeg ever did. What a silly argument.

They seem to be outstripping Winnipeg in at least one respect: the loss column. 30 million here, 100 million there...it starts to add up to more than pocket change even for someone as weathy as Moyes.

I can assure you that the Winnipeg Jets never comp-ed anywhere near 2,500 tickets per game for a season. No Canadian team has ever given away the amount of tickets franchises such as Phoenix and Nashville have. The markets are different and there isn't the need to introduce the game to new people like there is in a place like Phoenix.

GHOST

 

[Trizent]

I guarantee you that they do. Have Toronto radio stations ever had "Win Leaf Ticket" promotions?

Companies also purchase season tickets to use as promotional items, ie give aways.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Companies also purchase season tickets to use as promotional items, ie give aways.

That's true.

But by using the word "also", you're supporting my point. All teams give away tickets.