Coyotes and Director of Amateur Scouting Tim Bernhardt have mutually agreed to part ways.

[Kamiccolo]

Probably for the best given their drafting lately IMO

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[izzy]

i dont see anything wrong with their drafting lately

 

[Raging Bull]

Groundbreaking news.

 

[tucker3434]

i dont see anything wrong with their drafting lately

Dylan Strome. Still a very solid prospect, but compared to the guys taken after, it was a big miss.

 

[izzy]

Dylan Strome. Still a very solid prospect, but compared to the guys taken after, it was a big miss.

i mean strome pretty much set to go there, not really on the coyotes

 

[Dale Best Goalie]

Nice job, Barrett and Dylan.

 

[Thrasymachus]

Dylan Strome. Still a very solid prospect, but compared to the guys taken after, it was a big miss.

Both Strome brothers have been a tad underwhelming

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Both Strome brothers have been a tad underwhelming

Strome was just over ppg in the AHL and then spent the rest of the season in the NHL getting his footing.

People shit on Strome like he's a bad prospect. Not every top 3 pick is a Barkov.

 

[Thrasymachus]

Strome was just over ppg in the AHL and then spent the rest of the season in the NHL getting his footing.

People **** on Strome like he's a bad prospect. Not every top 3 pick is a Barkov.

I didn’t say he sucked. I just think he has been underwhelming relative to the players drafted around him. Time will tell.

Not a hater I was just hoping Dylan would have made the club sooner (and that Ryan would have made more of an impact for the islanders)

 

[al secord]

Can't wait for the next riveting thread you start.

 

[Nico Hischier]

This is what should happen when you have been not doing great drafting and then pass on a “game breaking prospect” for a big reach

 

[ottawa]

Strome was just over ppg in the AHL and then spent the rest of the season in the NHL getting his footing.

People **** on Strome like he's a bad prospect. Not every top 3 pick is a Barkov.

Or a Kotkaniemi

 

[Heldig]

Probably for the best given their drafting lately IMO

Lately? Are you referring to Barrett Hayton? He was Chayka's guy so maybe there was a disagreement there.

Before that? PO Joseph is looking like a pretty good prospect. Keller was a fantastic pick. Chychrun was good too.

Strome is the obvious mistake though it is still early.

 

[The Stig]

Wow thats big. Im going to have to take the rest of the day and contemplate this.

 

[Claypool]

i dont see anything wrong with their drafting lately

Well people don't generally "part ways" if everyone involved thinks you're doing a great job.

 

[izzy]

Well people don't generally "part ways" if everyone involved thinks you're doing a great job.

well there isnt anything wrong with their drafting, might just not have been a good fit or they were looking to go in a different direction? looking at their draft history, they have made a lot of quality picks, dylan strome is the only real miss but again most any team would have made that pick

 

[Maladroit]

Dylan Strome. Still a very solid prospect, but compared to the guys taken after, it was a big miss.

Strome was a completely defensible pick at the time and may still pan out. POJ and Hayton look like poor value for where they were selected though.

 

[tucker3434]

Strome was a completely defensible pick at the time and may still pan out. POJ and Hayton look like poor value for where they were selected though.

Yeah, any other year than 2015, Strome would be tracking pretty great for a 3OA. It’s just that, in that particular year, you could’ve been blindfolded, throwing darts at a board, and likely would’ve hit somebody that’s already having more NHL success.

 

[Maladroit]

Yeah, any other year than 2015, Strome would be tracking pretty great for a 3OA. It’s just that, in that particular year, you could’ve been blindfolded, throwing darts at a board, and likely would’ve hit somebody that’s already having more NHL success.

True but I think that's hard to pin on the scouting staff. He was universally considered a top four pick at the time and even if he ends up completely flaming out it's hindsight analysis to blame the scouts for it. On the other hand I think it's safe to say right now that Pierre Olivier-Joseph and Barrett Hayton were bad picks given who else was on the board and their scouting staff should be held accountable.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

True but I think that's hard to pin on the scouting staff. He was universally considered a top four pick at the time and even if he ends up completely flaming out it's hindsight analysis to blame the scouts for it. On the other hand I think it's safe to say right now that Pierre Olivier-Joseph and Barrett Hayton were bad picks given who else was on the board and their scouting staff should be held accountable.

Barrett Hayton was literally just drafted and hasn't played a game yet for any league this season. Any other team and people say 'its too early to judge'

 

[XX]

Nice job, Barrett and Dylan.

Strome was picked in part on Chayka's recommendation and was a tremendous prospect. Still is.

 

[Maladroit]

Barrett Hayton was literally just drafted and hasn't played a game yet for any league this season. Any other team and people say 'its too early to judge'

That's my point though - the only fair time to judge a scouting staff is as soon as the pick is made (ideally before the pick is made so you can potentially avoid a mistake). Hayton's future development curve is unknowable just as Strome's was at the time. But the difference is Strome's performance in the OHL clearly warranted a top five pick while Hayton's clearly did not, given who else was on the board at the time.

 

[XX]

That's my point though - the only fair time to judge a scouting staff is as soon as the pick is made (ideally before the pick is made so you can potentially avoid a mistake). Hayton's future development curve is unknowable just as Strome's was at the time. But the difference is Strome's performance in the OHL clearly warranted a top five pick while Hayton's clearly did not, given who else was on the board at the time.

I think Chayka would contest your point about Hayton's performance. They loved him at Ivan Hlinka, when the Soo was shorthanded, and in the playoffs. They drafted him based on those performances, not his overall production (which was absolutely not special). Scouts - and by extension GMs - have a right to bet their jobs on players they like. They put in the work and have to be accountable for it. Now we just wait.

 

[TheDoldrums]

There were always reasons to doubt Strome as a prospect. His skating is just okay and his shot in junior was absurdly slow. Seriously his release was like loading up a musket, there was no chance he'd consistently have that time in the NHL I haven't seen any of his pro games so I can't say if he's made strides in those areas, but they gave me pause despite his obvious hockey sense and offensive talent.

 

[Dale Best Goalie]

Strome was picked in part on Chayka's recommendation and was a tremendous prospect. Still is.

Compared to who they could have picked at #3 in that class, it's he's very underwhelming.