OT: Covid-19 (Part 40) If you are the healer...

[Andy]

Why are you nervous? It's a good day

Because it doesn't seem real that there is an end to this on the horizon. Felt like it was never going to happen

 

[GoodKiwi]

then your step father should not get it, he's in a very specific situation and was specifically advised by a doctor that it's not good for him which is totally fair and understandable

the point here is that this is kinda different than Jean Jeanguy Tremblay-Tremblay from Rosemont who's an average joe convincing himself that he shouldn't get AZ because his right knee sometime hurts when it rains

I never equated my step-dad's situation with the one of "Jean Jeanguy Tremblay-Tremblay from Rosemont". Of course they're entirely different. Yet I will not blame the latter for making his own decision whatever it might be. I might not agree with it, but I won't point any fingers either.

 

[Deebs]

Because it doesn't seem real that there is an end to this on the horizon. Felt like it was never going to happen

The end is a long ways away yet and remember, just because you're vaccinated that doesn't mean you can't still get it. Nothing changes going forward except you probably won't die from it....which is kind of important.

 

[Tabarouette]

I never equated my step-dad's situation with the one of "Jean Jeanguy Tremblay-Tremblay from Rosemont". Of course they're entirely different. Yet I will not blame the latter for making his own decision whatever it might be. I might not agree with it, but I won't point any fingers either.

don't worry i'll point 2 fingers, it'll compensate

:guy-pointing-at-head:

 

[Andy]

The end is a long ways away yet and remember, just because you're vaccinated that doesn't mean you can't still get it. Nothing changes going forward except you probably won't die from it....which is kind of important.

For sure, I will still continue to protect myself and by extension others. But it's such a relief that my chances of complications will reduce greatly!

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Why are you nervous? It's a good day

The nurse could miss the arm and inject straight into the jugular.

 

[Kriss E]

My favorite media quote nowadays is "Les variants, on le sait, attaquent les jeunes" (Variants affect young people). This is just flat out bad information and completely wrong.

No earlier than last week Legault came up and said we had twice the amount of young adults being hospitalized than at the latest peak, which is simply untrue. There are actually less admissions per day in hospitals and ICUs for the 30-59 y/o group. The variant has been scientifically proven to be more contagious, but there are a lot of conflicting messages as to whether it's actually more lethal or not. And if it is, it's certainly not any worse for a specific age group than for the others.

Variants don't affect a specific demography. Same when they say "The variants make the virus that much more dangerous outside." You'd believe, listening to them, that the virus is going to jump on you like a spider if you ride a bike too close to someone who's infected.

Believe me, I'm taking this pandemic pretty seriously and I'm still very careful. Hell. Both of my parents have been vaccinated for a month with Pfizer now and I'm still careful around them and only see them to go on a walk.

That being said, I can't help but think a lot of the media is actually trying to scare people rather than properly informing them.

I'd be ready to wager the next "media scare" is reporting a couple of breakthrough infections here and there, without mentionning the outcome of the infection, neither the circumstances. Then, once again, it's going to be doomsday for all of the overly anxious people.

The worst thing in all of this is that people just swallow it all up without double checking the facts. I had a FaceTime with my parents this weekend, and my mother straight up wouldn't believe me when I told here the media was wrong and that Legault was wrong when they said we have "tons of young people in ICUs and in the hospitals". It's flat out misinformation. And the data is available to all on the INSPQ website. I sent her the link and the screenshots on Messenger, she looked at it, and was still skeptical as to whether the raw data or Legault was right. I couldn't believe it.

I don't want to sound like a denier or a conspirationnist, but they're right on one thing; A lot of people have lost the ability to even try to judge if something makes sense or not in this pandemic. It's scary. I mean. I personally know a lot of people who were ready to wear a mask alone on a 23x11 meters tennis court because the government told them to.

I think the damage has been done. Personally, I'm just surprised by the amount of people who are fed up by this pandemic but still don't want to take the vaccine.

 

[Kriss E]

For sure, I will still continue to protect myself and by extension others. But it's such a relief that my chances of complications will reduce greatly!

It's a huge stress off your shoulders. Also knowing you're one more to add to the list of vaccinated people is great as that's the key to reopening.

 

[Holystik]

*IMPORTANT*

Does anyone here have close contact with @A Loyal Dog? I do have his phone number but he hasn't picked up for a few days.

If you do send me a PM please, thank you.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

I think the damage has been done. Personally, I'm just surprised by the amount of people who are fed up by this pandemic but still don't want to take the vaccine.

That, and the people who are jealous of others having a special pass like you did to get a vaccine ahead of their time. Man. It's a f***ing pandemic. Our destinies are knit together. I personally celebrate every single person getting a vaccine. No matter the risk factors they have, no matter how they get their shot. That's how we'll get back to seeing our loved ones and resume our life projects.

 

[Treb]

I love this and I hate this.

Again the messaging is so wrong. Don't get me wrong, it's a good thing overall.
But the messaging will again drop the numbers of people who will get this vaccine.

The flip flopping is too intense. Not good for people over 65, only good for people over 55 and now in 24h and because Ontario is in a full panic mode they opened it up and now Kinney, who doesn't do any better, they got more cases than Quebec is following in a blink of an eye and now by pressure Quebec will follow. That.s 100% politics as a decision. That's so wrong as a message.

Take a 2-3 day, talk with the NACI (or CIQ in Quebec)¨and try to get them on board with that decision. Talk to other provinces first, if they all want to join in, you do that together in coherent positive messaging. Not panic mode.

People should not be scared of the blood clots, it's a nothing burger. UK is using this vaccine at large for months now.
But government should get their shit together cause they are hurting even more the bad reputation of AZ.

NACI are supposed to make a new recommendation tomorrow:
EXCLUSIVE Canada’s Ontario to expand use of AstraZeneca COVID vaccine as epidemic rages | Reuters

On Sunday, NACI's chair told Reuters that the panel would make a new recommendation on Tuesday.
Health Canada said regulators in the UK had estimated the risk of clots to be very small, roughly four in a million people who receive the vaccine. It also said the complication was treatable. Two people have developed it in Canada, and both are recovering.

 

[FlatIron]

Why are you nervous? It's a good day

Yup, I received my vaccine a couple of weeks ago thanks to the pilot project in Cote de Neiges as my kids go to daycare in one of the postal codes. We need more people vaccinated, let's do it.

 

[dinodebino]

My favorite media quote nowadays is "Les variants, on le sait, attaquent les jeunes" (Variants affect young people). This is just flat out bad information and completely wrong.

No earlier than last week Legault came up and said we had twice the amount of young adults being hospitalized than at the latest peak, which is simply untrue. There are actually less admissions per day in hospitals and ICUs for the 30-59 y/o group. The variant has been scientifically proven to be more contagious, but there are a lot of conflicting messages as to whether it's actually more lethal or not. And if it is, it's certainly not any worse for a specific age group than for the others.

Variants don't affect a specific demography. Same when they say "The variants make the virus that much more dangerous outside." You'd believe, listening to them, that the virus is going to jump on you like a spider if you ride a bike too close to someone who's infected.

Believe me, I'm taking this pandemic pretty seriously and I'm still very careful. Hell. Both of my parents have been vaccinated for a month with Pfizer now and I'm still careful around them and only see them to go on a walk.

That being said, I can't help but think a lot of the media is actually trying to scare people rather than properly informing them.

I'd be ready to wager the next "media scare" is reporting a couple of breakthrough infections here and there, without mentionning the outcome of the infection, neither the circumstances. Then, once again, it's going to be doomsday for all of the overly anxious people.

The worst thing in all of this is that people just swallow it all up without double checking the facts. I had a FaceTime with my parents this weekend, and my mother straight up wouldn't believe me when I told here the media was wrong and that Legault was wrong when they said we have "tons of young people in ICUs and in the hospitals". It's flat out misinformation. And the data is available to all on the INSPQ website. I sent her the link and the screenshots on Messenger, she looked at it, and was still skeptical as to whether the raw data or Legault was right. I couldn't believe it.

I don't want to sound like a denier or a conspirationnist, but they're right on one thing; A lot of people have lost the ability to even try to judge if something makes sense or not in this pandemic. It's scary. I mean. I personally know a lot of people who were ready to wear a mask alone on a 23x11 meters tennis court because the government told them to.

I think there is a lot of truth in what you say. At the same time, and it's just a sample, in one of Ottawa's Covid ward, most of the patient being hospitalized have between 40 to 55. That according to a nurse there who's husband works with my wife. But, small sample, I know. And anecdotal.

 

[GoodKiwi]

The nurse could miss the arm and inject straight into the jugular.

You joke, of course, but as someone who's had 12-16 blood tests and IV's in the last 6 weeks or so, you'd be surprised how often nurses miss the vein. I have another blood test tomorrow and I'm worried where they'll stick a needle this time as my arms are one big bruise already. I have to wear long sleeves while in public so that people don't mistaken me for a heroin addict.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

I think there is a lot of truth in what you say. At the same time, and it's just a sample, in one of Ottawa's Covid ward, most of the patient being hospitalized have between 40 to 55. That according to a nurse there who's husband works with my wife. But, small sample, I know. And anecdotal.

That's the thing. It's a simple mathematic rule. There are a majority of people being hospitalized who are between 40 and 55 because A) The elderly has mostly been vaccinated. B) The virus is more transmissible. C) They're in their worst outburst since the beginning of the pandemic in Ontario.

Those are all pretty good explanations as to why younger patients are mostly being admitted. But to say "Le variant frappe les jeunes plus fort" is straight up misinforming people. They have to stop spouting this narrative.

That's what I mean by telling people have to keep using their common sense. You're not going through a crisis by losing your god damned mind and wearing a mask on a tennis court.

Like Arruda said at the beginning of it all: "La peur fait faire des affaires qui ont pas de criss de bon sens".

 

[Tabarouette]

The nurse could miss the arm and inject straight into the jugular.

hate when that happens

 

[Tabarouette]

You joke, of course, but as someone who's had 12-16 blood tests and IV's in the last 6 weeks or so, you'd be surprised how often nurses miss the vein. I have another blood test tomorrow and I'm worried where they'll stick a needle this time as my arms are one big bruise already. I have to wear long sleeves while in public so that people don't mistaken me for a heroin addict.

or, you're a nice guy and you become an heroin addict to hide the bruises caused by the nurse to protect her job

 

[GoodKiwi]

or, you're a nice guy and you become an heroin addict to hide the bruises caused by the nurse to protect her job

Ironically enough, the nurse that always takes my blood at my neighborhood clinic is very good and hasn't missed once. It's the hospital staff that are much worse at this than the people who do it daily as a part of their job description.

 

[Kriss E]

That, and the people who are jealous of others having a special pass like you did to get a vaccine ahead of their time. Man. It's a f***ing pandemic. Our destinies are knit together. I personally celebrate every single person getting a vaccine. No matter the risk factors they have, no matter how they get their shot. That's how we'll get back to seeing our loved ones and resume our life projects.

Pretty much. We need numbers, and not to diminish the stress of people at risk, but the younger less vulnerable people are the ones that are out more, they're the ones gathering in parks, some break measures partying indoor. Those are the ones spreading the virus.

 

[GoodKiwi]

Pretty much. We need numbers, and not to diminish the stress of people at risk, but the younger less vulnerable people are the ones that are out more, they're the ones gathering in parks, some break measures partying indoor. Those are the ones spreading the virus.

Could not agree with the above more. There's a clear generational divide and I see it first hand between myself and my sister (who's 7 years younger, in he early thirties). She's not concerned with the pandemic and neither are any of her friends. Not that they're the worst offenders out there, but the virus did nothing to impede their meetings, indoors or outdoors, throughout. The last time we spoke my sister mentioned how sick she is of the current situation in Canada and wished she could leave the country for the US where her current boyfriend resides so that she didn't have to follow the social distancing measures as much.

 

[Milhouse40]

4447 new cases for Ontario with a record high of 10.5% positivity rate.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

4447 new cases for Ontario with a record high of 10.5% positivity rate.

This posivity rate indicates that they're not nearly testing enough. The real amount of cases might be a lot worse.

 

[Tabarouette]

This posivity rate indicates that they're not nearly testing enough. The real amount of cases might be a lot worse.

hmmm they tested like 40k+ so it's a pretty good sample size, good enough to assume that 10%~ is probably the real number

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

Could not agree with the above more. There's a clear generational divide and I see it first hand between myself and my sister (who's 7 years younger, in he early thirties). She's not concerned with the pandemic and neither are any of her friends. Not that they're the worst offenders out there, but the virus did nothing to impede their meetings, indoors or outdoors, throughout. The last time we spoke my sister mentioned how sick she is of the current situation in Canada and wished she could leave the country for the US where her current boyfriend resides so that she didn't have to follow the social distancing measures as much.

That's what I hate about both ends of the spectrum of "thoughts" in this pandemic. Some people have lost the ability to think so much that they'll go as far as wearing a mask alone on a tennis court, on a golf court, or will just agree with the ridiculous measures the government was about to decrete last Tuesday. And some other people just won't think about the implications and the possible consequences of their indiscipline, and will just be at peace as soon as the authority gives them the permission to do something. Bars are opened by the government? "Oh, that's gotta mean that we're safe in there. Let's go and let's gather all the friends!"

People have lost every ounce of common sense.

 

[MSLs absurd thighs]

hmmm they tested like 40k+ so it's a pretty good sample size, good enough to assume that 10%~ is probably the real number

When the posivity rate is that high, it's that the real numbers are way above what they're reporting.