OT: Covid-19 (Part 39) Subject Line Restrictions
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The real question isn't whether gyms are essential, but whether there's a valid reason why they should be closed. With proper measures -- no group classes, distance between machines, heat-testing upon entry, sanitizing machines -- I don't see concrete reasons why they should be shut. Plus, gyms are the best ventilated space you'll find. My gym implemented all these measures last year and continues to do so. On what basis should they be punished?
Put aside emotional reactions and ask yourself whether gyms deserved their almost year-long closure. I don't think they did.
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waffledave said:
And in saying maybe that's how it should be. I don't know if they need to be government owned, but the government could cover the costs for users in one way or another, just like they pay for kids dentists but the dental office is private owned.
And a bunch of things that were deemed essential last spring aren't free - private physiotherapy offices were open, but you need to take an appointment and pay for the services.
Also your example isn't the greatest - I can go to the libraries in my city but not in the one 5 streets down because I'm at the city limits.
My Mother had Moderna vaccinne yesterday. She was very happy. In 3 weeks shes gonna hug me...
Was great to see here
Was great to see here
waffledave
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That's a fair question. Personally I think way too many things are open given what we have seen regarding how differently and more easily the variants have been spreading elsewhere. That includes gyms. Given the current state of things we need to be MORE careful, not less. There is ample evidence of this happening all over the world right now. But whatever, once again we've decided to roll the dice.
waffledave
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Regarding dental servies, I believe they are essential and should be completely covered under medicare (@Mrb1p touched on this too). Kind of wild to me that it isn't considered the case, especially since regular dental checkups include important cancer screenings, and dental infections can kill you.
For libraries, I think the example holds. They are municipally run, hence why you can go to those in your city. There are provincial library services that everyone in the province has access to as well.
waffledave
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This is 100% expected due to the surging cases and the spread of the variants that we saw ~2 weeks ago.
Scary part is that all the huge jumps in cases since then haven't fully impacted hospitalizations yet. Same thing that happened in Europe, same thing that will happen here if we can't keep it contained.
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Remember, just because someone has been vaccinated does not mean they can't still get it or spread it to others. Just means there's a great chance they won't die from it.
There's plenty of evidence it reduces infection and transmission as well.
Still need to be careful though as I asssume his mom received only her first dose.
Vaccines could prevent asymptomatic infection. Here's why that's key to ending the pandemic.
COVID-19 Vaccines May Help Stop Virus Transmission
I do not care if gyms are open are closed as long as rules are respected. I never even demanded they be closed.
I only responded to the ridiculous claim they are essential. They are not. Putting gyms as essential is a slippery slope because anyone can make a claim X or Y is essential.
waffledave
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Well make food free too then. Schools and health care isn't free btw, it's all part of taxes.
We are taxed as high as pretty much anywhere in the world and part of that is funneled through for our public health care and education systems.
Nah. I got my 1st dose too.
Were waiting the 3 weeks. Im getting tested every thursday too.
So i take my precautions.
Were waiting the 3 weeks. Im getting tested every thursday too.
So i take my precautions.
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Covid 19 - Poke me one more time
Hopefully we can get over 15% of the population done per month from now.
Hopefully we can get over 15% of the population done per month from now.
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Sounds like the J&J vaccines will be coming in about a month;
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is the plan to vaccinate minors too? If no, we should be moving faster than we think.
waffledave
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??? Nothing is free. But essential services are available because we socialize the costs. I think everyone knows this already. When we talk about free government programs, this is implied. And food is "free" to those who have no means. You don't have much selection, but it's there.
I mean I really don't know what you're getting at here. A gym is not an essential service. I don't think you will find many people who will agree with you on that. Not saying they aren't valuable, or important. But they aren't essential services, even if exercise itself is essential to good health.
At the end of the day those in charge need to make decisions based on what should be open, what should be closed, what is risky, what isn't, and weigh all of that stuff.
All things considered, a gym is not going to be considered more important than a school, or a sector of the economy that employs the majority of people who are already hovering the poverty line. It just isn't and it never will be.
waffledave
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when taking an appointment online, you'll know if you're getting an AZ or not.
so no more "surprises"
so no more "surprises"
There's no trial finished for under 16/18 (depending on vaccine) so no one under 16 will get vaccinated until the trials are done if ever.
When Will the COVID-19 Vaccine Be Available for Kids, and Will It Be Safe for Your Family? – Connecticut Children's
A look at when Canada could start administering COVID-19 vaccines to teens, children
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