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Walshy7

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I dont believe so. However virtually ever office place of that size I know of is basically "working from home" at this point, especially the tech firms.

i work in a office of one of the big canadian law firms and we are working from home, except i cant my job is building maintenance my other 2 team members have been put on a rotating shift and ive been sent home, they decided because i have a newborn baby at home for the time being its best i stay home. Which is unbelievably nice of them though i do feel a little guilty about it
 

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Looks like a crisis taken under control with the express purpose/need to shift the paradigm. It's a large wealth transfer scheme across the globe caused by; or coinciding with a Virus that has a lot of mixed messaging around it - from typical to slightly more deadly all the way to bio weapon. As the central banks are printing money at taxpayers expense to bailout the system, main-street wealth, pension funds etc are being decimated. The supply chain is still broken, the people are being told to stay home (I assume while they evaluate or begin to implement a "new deal") for the meantime and for "safety and security". The next collapse will likely be the housing market as people start losing jobs in droves and that's where helicopter money from the sky will be showered on the people. Small business' will likely not survive this process unless they provide a service in demand.

The scale of what is happening now has never before been seen. From what I can see, life is about to completely change for all of us. That could be for the better or for the worse. It just all depends on the leadership of the day.

Could be anything come down the road, but my guess is the rich will take another step up the food chain, while the working class (if lucky) are going to see what Andrew Chang was talking about.

Future fiction story about a country with an armed population (including artillery) and a new aristocracy living indifference.
 

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Something like allocating 60% of the package to medical supplies. 40% to support the everyday living of citizens, and something along the lines of 40% is equivalent to $600 every two weeks for everyone. It gives a certainty to people.

I think that sort of support is going to come from the Federal government in the form of EI increases
 

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Something like allocating 60% of the package to medical supplies. 40% to support the everyday living of citizens, and something along the lines of 40% is equivalent to $600 every two weeks for everyone. It gives a certainty to people.

i think for the time being at least all the funding should go to medical services and finding a vaccine, I know its hard on everyday people and im hypocritical because im still getting paid (for now at least) but stopping the virus or containing it will help so much more than giving everyone $600 if everyone can get back to work the quicker things will start to recover for everyone.

perhaps a program where staples are delivered to every door to make sure everyone has food and supplies. Something like flour, eggs, milk and rice along with TP and soap that should only cost $100 per adult with the logistics included (i dont know) but just giving people money doesnt seem like its going to help much. $1200/month almost covers my mortgage so would be great but not sure its best solution right now
 

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i think for the time being at least all the funding should go to medical services and finding a vaccine, I know its hard on everyday people and im hypocritical because im still getting paid (for now at least) but stopping the virus or containing it will help so much more than giving everyone $600 if everyone can get back to work the quicker things will start to recover for everyone.

perhaps a program where staples are delivered to every door to make sure everyone has food and supplies. Something like flour, eggs, milk and rice along with TP and soap that should only cost $100 per adult with the logistics included (i dont know) but just giving people money doesnt seem like its going to help much. $1200/month almost covers my mortgage so would be great but not sure its best solution right now

If Calgary Co-op can do non-perishable hampers for people in Calgary isolation, for free, and they are not a huge company, I'd think the major chains could do it a lot cheaper, and if they billed the government for each hamper that would work.
 

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Could be anything come down the road, but my guess is the rich will take another step up the food chain, while the working class (if lucky) are going to see what Andrew Chang was talking about.

Future fiction story about a country with an armed population (including artillery) and a new aristocracy living indifference.

Your guess is as good as mine, but one thing is for certain. The Markets (Casino) were a giant bubble waiting to pop regardless and anytime a country, or countries offshore it's manufacturing, it becomes vulnerable to their problems. It's the failure of Globalism at the root.

If we do enter a new paradigm and have to do things differently, I do hope we put an end to interdependence and start building versatile robotic manufacturing facilities with the newest tech. That we start using techs like https://www.safireproject.com/ (Canadian) and start being more responsible, the disposable Chinese dollar store items / Ikea lifestyle was never sustainable, it just made a handful of people extremely wealthy. I look at this as a fork in the road. The potential for elevating humanity to the next level, or for a bitter clinging old world Oligopoly that will not let go, and fight tooth and nail to keep the thumb down on "the man" for another century.

What do I know though.
 
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Just goes to show that a University education doesn’t provide common sense.

I have a distant memory of a time when my peers were the only thing that mattered. It felt like I was going to live forever. And if the grim reality that I was mortal even popped in my head, I wanted to party that thought away. The movie/novel The Beach captures this phenomenon of youth perfectly.
 
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It's not the best but if they suspend rent and mortgages for a month it would be enough to cover groceries and utilities.

They will grant money to small business and to employees. The question is when.

The darker side of the equation is how much this will spike inflation.

We don't have billions sitting around waiting to be given out
Let's hope rent and mortgage payments are temporarily suspended for next 2 months. So no one makes their payments. It is a temporary measure as we stop da clock sort of speak. Everything then resumes as normal in 3rd month.
Then we don't have to change the EI program. People will get $573 a week maximum in Ontario which most should be able to live on if rent and mortgages are temporarily suspended.
Of course people in restaurant business (or others) with tips are screwed because they won't get maximum but they got da cash past years which never hit da books. So they did not pay taxes on it either. Let's hope they have enough in their piggy bank.
But if everything goes on the GOVT to subsidize and da banks and landlords are getting their coin then we need to borrow many many billions and eventually we will have much higher taxes to pay it off. This is da reality of it.
But worst case is feds and province do not much and people will then panic as incomes have already dropped down dramatically.
 

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i work in a office of one of the big canadian law firms and we are working from home, except i cant my job is building maintenance my other 2 team members have been put on a rotating shift and ive been sent home, they decided because i have a newborn baby at home for the time being its best i stay home. Which is unbelievably nice of them though i do feel a little guilty about it
You should not feel guilty. It is beyond your control. Take care of your family.
 

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These students could be in serious trouble.
The police will be there .
Are liquor and beer stores a I'll open.
If so these people may screw it up for other people having a beer in the near future.
Listen be smart or the government will shut down everything.
Shutting down the beer stores for a couple weeks wouldn't hurt anyone except the alcoholics. I'd personally support it.
 
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I think that sort of support is going to come from the Federal government in the form of EI increases
We will see. If they make people WHOLE then sure.

If you make $100,000 per year then continue to pay people on an after tax basis what they were making before you shut down business for people who can't work from home. But this $54,000 maximum crap has to to eliminated on a short term basis. and make EI start immediately. and it continues on until everyone is safe and back to work. anything less and it won't work.
 

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Could be anything come down the road, but my guess is the rich will take another step up the food chain, while the working class (if lucky) are going to see what Andrew Chang was talking about.

Future fiction story about a country with an armed population (including artillery) and a new aristocracy living indifference.

Where the world is going exactly can't be predicted of course but I'll give it a try:

Automation of manufacturing, food growing/production, transportation/delivery infrastructure, medical and legal services, maintenance, etc. are going to make a lot of work obsolete. Our current diets are currently very rich and varied, that's completely unnecessary other than for creating commerce. We are very mobile, that's unnecessary in large cities. We gather in public places, that's unnecessary with the virtual gatherings possible.

Many jobs in the middle of infrastructure will be absolutely unnecessary once processes are developed by deep learning algorithms ---> look no further than assembly line engineering. Once the components of an assembly line, no matter how complex, are machined and implemented there's no reason to re-engineer a working assembly line so long as there is demand for what it produces.

The future world I see is most of us living in tiny boxes with unlimited entertainment, living on dull sustenance paid and maintenance by our owners the super government. Most of us won't work regularly but will be trained with skills in medicine, military or manual infrastructure repair/backup waiting for a call to action for when our services are needed.
 
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Clark4Ever

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My gym is closing down. Does anyone know what usually happens with refunds? I got one month left but checked the website and it says to contact the community centre for refunds. Or will the computers freeze it and rollover the month when the gym opens?

Start working out at home. I've been doing it for months and it's much more convenient.
 

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Let's hope rent and mortgage payments are temporarily suspended for next 2 months. So no one makes their payments. It is a temporary measure as we stop da clock sort of speak. Everything then resumes as normal in 3rd month.
Then we don't have to change the EI program. People will get $573 a week maximum in Ontario which most should be able to live on if rent and mortgages are temporarily suspended.
Of course people in restaurant business (or others) with tips are screwed because they won't get maximum but they got da cash past years which never hit da books. So they did not pay taxes on it either. Let's hope they have enough in their piggy bank.
But if everything goes on the GOVT to subsidize and da banks and landlords are getting their coin then we need to borrow many many billions and eventually we will have much higher taxes to pay it off. This is da reality of it.
But worst case is feds and province do not much and people will then panic as incomes have already dropped down dramatically.

If this turns into a prolonged crisis, I am sure the government will implement a debt moratorium unless they want another national crisis.
 
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Start working out at home. I've been doing it for months and it's much more convenient.
Some of us can and some of us can't. There are so many people who can't. Office types yes. Facilities people, truck/taxi/couriers, retailers, restaurant people, daily support workers, health care workers, lots of business owners hair etc etc. This is a mess. The economy is tanking as everyday goes by. But i think we can all agree we need to do every single measure we can TODAY so it ends as fast as possible. Let's hope the GOVT is not BSing us and they make everyone WHOLE.
 

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Call of duty warzone wait times are 6 minutes to get in to a match now. Servers must be full. Was 4 minutes 3 days ago when they announced school closures and some work closures. Before that there were no wait times at all.
 
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Visitors still allowed at SB. Had a difficult covid intubation yesterday with no links to outside cases.
 

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Let's hope rent and mortgage payments are temporarily suspended for next 2 months. So no one makes their payments. It is a temporary measure as we stop da clock sort of speak. Everything then resumes as normal in 3rd month.
Then we don't have to change the EI program. People will get $573 a week maximum in Ontario which most should be able to live on if rent and mortgages are temporarily suspended.
Of course people in restaurant business (or others) with tips are screwed because they won't get maximum but they got da cash past years which never hit da books. So they did not pay taxes on it either. Let's hope they have enough in their piggy bank.
But if everything goes on the GOVT to subsidize and da banks and landlords are getting their coin then we need to borrow many many billions and eventually we will have much higher taxes to pay it off. This is da reality of it.
But worst case is feds and province do not much and people will then panic as incomes have already dropped down dramatically.

I'm not sure $573/week is enough to live on if you just didn't have a mortgage payment.

Property taxes can take a good chunk of that. Heating/Hydro take up another. Insurance... home/auto/personal... the car if you don't own it...

A mortgage holiday is a start but more would be required to avoid a panic.
 
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