Could the Preds trade Shea Weber and still be as good of a team as they are now?

[Kronwalled8*]

Roman Josi, man is he ever good! Hes quickly climbing up to be a top 10 defenseman in the world, and only going to get better! Hes already top 15 IMO. Id easily take him over similar dmen like Letang, Yandle, Brodie, Hedman, Fowler, Carlson, etc.

If the Preds eventually do trade Weber, its because of Josi. 55 pts this year, 48 last year. He plays well with both Jones and Weber. I think the Preds could afford to trade Weber and not have their defense take a huge hit because they are so deep.

Josi is easily a #1 on most teams today. Hes a franchise defenseman in the making. Whats scary is that once Jones gets better, they will have 3 bonafide #1 franchise dmen. I dont think theres any team in the league that has 2 franchise dmen, let alone 3.

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[DonskoiDonscored]

Could a team trade a star #1 dman and still be as good in the future?

It depends on the return.

 

[Ducks in a row]

If they get a true #1 center back yes they can.

 

[AvroArrow]

I don't see how it makes any sense to trade Weber, especially after re-signing him pretty recently. He's by the far the best defensive defenseman in the NHL today. Could they still be as good? depends on the return. Their defense definitely won't be as good, but they could maybe upgrade on forwards

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

They will have 3, count em, 3 bonafide #1 superstar dmen.

Three!
Bonafide
Numba one
Supastar
Dmen

 

[jdatb]

sometimes its just not fair.

 

[Get North]

No.

Josi needs a guy like Weber with him, Josi takes chances offensively but Weber is always back there getting the job done. Who knows how Josi would react and Weber's slapshot on the PP creates space for others on the PP. If nobody covers Weber, well then good luck to the guys trying to block the shot if they dare. It's that presence back there, big, physical beast. You don't want to play against him and he is intimidating even when he's on the bench.

 

[Machinehead]

Josi is starting to get extremely overrated. Until he plays without Weber and is just as good, he's still just Weber's partner.

 

[Zaddy]

Well this Stephen Burtch stats analyst guy was talking on Twitter about how Weber isn't the same player anymore. Make of it what you will. I think he could be expendable for a #1C with Jones and Ellis/Ekholm emerging as top4 guys and Josi as a #1.

Some tweets:

 

[dougie1107]

Oh boy. The advanced stats nerds who praise corsi are here to try and be controversial by ******** on Weber again.

First of all, Jones looked FAR worse defensively against similar competition. I don't know exactly what his corsi was, but I am sure it must've been awful, specifically in games 3 and 6.

Second of all, the corsi praisers always seem to have absolutely zero clue how he and Josi are used by Laviolette. They go out there against the other teams best with the fourth line with the job of keeping their offensive zone presence to the outside and block as many shots as possible. But I suppose someone who doesn't think they need to watch him play since corsi is an infallible stat wouldn't know that.

 

[izzy]

Well this Stephen Burtch stats analyst guy was talking on Twitter about how Weber isn't the same player anymore. Make of it what you will. I think he could be expendable for a #1C with Jones and Ellis/Ekholm emerging as top4 guys and Josi as a #1.

His twitter makes me laugh, amazing that he has a job based around hockey/sports.

 

[GeauxPreds]

Burtch's comparisons are dumb because it compares Weber's shot rates against to other dmen without comparing quality of competition

 

[SpookyTsuki]

Do they get a SUPERSTAR foward? Like a Malkin?

 

[frieswithbenefits]

Oh boy. The advanced stats nerds who praise corsi are here to try and be controversial by ******** on Weber again.

First of all, Jones looked FAR worse defensively against similar competition. I don't know exactly what his corsi was, but I am sure it must've been awful, specifically in games 3 and 6.

So your subjective opinion holds more weight than stats do?

 

[Lebowski]

Entirely depends on the return. They could be better, they could be worse.

 

[dougie1107]

So your subjective opinion holds more weight than stats do?

I don't need stats that only tell a very small part of the story to tell me who's better defensively after having watched the two play against the same competition. And I don't think it's an opinion either, because I can safely say Weber is better defensively by a fair margin.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

I think Preds would be better. Cause they would get a deadly return. They still have Rinne back there. Id roll with Josi, Jones, Ekholm, Ellis, Franson anyday

 

[Coach Parker]

David Krejci screams Nashville; playoff scorer and 1st line center who shows up when it matters most.

 

[moomoosoup]

All depends on the return, but Weber is very important to Josi's success. They compliment each other all too well.

 

[TheyTuukkaMyCup]

Josi w/o Weber is like Jelly w/o PB

 

[BonMorrison]

Not yet.

The return would have to be a very good top 4 defenseman also coming back in addition to the #1C and that just might not be realistic. The Preds defensive depth in terms of prospects and bottom pairers is pretty god damn bad.

If we traded Weber, it'd have to look like this:

Josi - Jones
Ekholm - Ellis

Josi - Jones was not a great pairing in the playoffs because of their similarity in play and we would rather not split Ekholm - Ellis as they have good chemistry. So whoever a Weber trade brings back would have to A) be able to play top pairing with Josi and B) still have enough return to get us a good #1C which I don't think is realistic.

 

[smackdaddy]

Ask the 2006 Oilers

 

[Oscar Acosta]

The return they get is what matters. If they straight up swap Weber for Malkin, then yes.

If they go 2006 Oilers style with Pronger and trade him for a package of garbage, then no.

 

[Pablo Aimar]

Ask the 2006 Oilers

Weber is not close to the player Pronger was and never has been.

Weber is the second best defenceman on the team. They would be just fine if they traded him because some GM would give an astronomical return.

 

[BonMorrison]

Weber is the second best defenceman on the team. They would be just fine if they traded him because some GM would give an astronomical return.

No he's not. Josi had an amazing year and a better year than Weber but that's not enough to displace him as the #1. Truth is, Weber and Josi need each other. They're both great #1's by themselves but it's when you put them together do they both suddenly become elite.