Friedman: Could the pens retain salary on phil kessel?

[justafan22]

This is purely speculation, but why would the penguins retain a cent? Kessel at 6.8 million is fair value, if not a bargain for his services.

Somehow, Los Angeles is going to add scoring, and I can see the Kings being one of the clubs involved. Evander Kane’s seven-year, $49-million extension is good news for James van Riemsdyk, Pacioretty and maybe even the Penguins and Phil Kessel – you can certainly see a team considering the four years and $6.8-million AAV remaining for Kessel rather than something like Kane’s commitment, and the Penguins might be willing to eat money, too.

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[Empoleon8771]

Friedman has been pushing this for a while and I really don't get it. He's really the only guy that has suggested that the Penguins may retain salary, no one else has pretended it's a possibility.

In a world where Evander Kane makes $7 million a season for 7 years, Kessel at $6.8 million for 4 years is a bargain.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If the Pens are retaining on Kessel, they better get an overpayment coming back the other way. Otherwise, what's the point from the Pens' perspective? They're not in cap trouble and don't need to move Kessel for lesser pieces at a discount.

 

[justafan22]

If the Pens are retaining on Kessel, they better get an overpayment coming back the other way. Otherwise, what's the point from the Pens' perspective? They're not in cap trouble and don't need to move Kessel for lesser pieces at a discount.

Kessel at 6.8 million would return less than what many here would think, but it's a stupid thing to do unless you're getting a under 25 player back who can slot right into the lineup in his spot + picks/prospects

 

[LeafsNation75]

If the Pens are retaining on Kessel, they better get an overpayment coming back the other way. Otherwise, what's the point from the Pens' perspective? They're not in cap trouble and don't need to move Kessel for lesser pieces at a discount.

When the Leafs traded Kessel to Pittsburgh they retained $1.2 million of his contract and it was not an overpayment in terms of value.

 

[DearDiary]

When the Leafs traded Kessel to Pittsburgh they retained $1.2 million of his contract and it was not an overpayment in terms of value.

61 points @8mill, zero cups
vs
92 points @6.8mill, 2 cups, CS performance

 

[Hockeyholic]

Friedman is about as reliable as Eklund.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Friedman is about as reliable as Eklund.

Agreed. His "31 Thoughts" blog is no different than hockeybuzz.

 

[LeafsNation75]

61 points @8mill, zero cups
vs
92 points @6.8mill, 2 cups, CS performance

Kessel also has a modified no trade clause and that was part of the problem when the Leafs traded him, so whatever 8 teams are on his approved list will want to trade for him.

Now you say 61 points in his final year in Toronto, however you are conveniently leaving out his four 30+ goal seasons with the Leafs which was as high as 37 goals on two different occasions.

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

When the Leafs traded Kessel to Pittsburgh they retained $1.2 million of his contract and it was not an overpayment in terms of value.

Leafs were actively trying to move him; teams knew this, so they weren't going to get max value for him. Kessel's $8 million three years ago was also lot harder to fit into a team's cap than his $6.8 million today would be.

Plus, fair or not he was carrying a "loser" label with him in Toronto where people thought he's not someone you can win with. He's since shown he can, in fact, be a big part of a Cup champion.

 

[olli]

Agreed. His "31 Thoughts" blog is no different than hockeybuzz.

There's a reason why it's called 31 thoughts.

 

[Avs44]

Agreed. His "31 Thoughts" blog is no different than hockeybuzz.

Well, that's just an idiotic statement.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Kessel also has a modified no trade clause and that was part of the problem when the Leafs traded him, so whatever 8 teams are on his approved list will want to trade for him.

Now you say 61 points in his final year in Toronto, however you are conveniently leaving out his four 30+ goal seasons with the Leafs which was as high as 37 goals on two different occasions.

And that doesn't matter nearly as much as Kessel having an awful last season in Toronto. It's really not that hard. Kessel is coming off his best season in the NHL and has 2 cups with 2 Conn Smythe worthy runs now with the Penguins. Plus, the Leafs decided they had to move him and he had a higher cap hit before the salary retention. He has a lot more value than he had 3 years ago due to that.

 

[Saekk]

People come here and post Friedmans 31 THOUGHTS, not insider info and trash him for talking out of his ass.

Yeah, that's the point of the blog.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Any talk of retaining on Kessel is beyond stupid. He's a bargain at 6.8 mil.

Kessel also has a modified no trade clause and that was part of the problem when the Leafs traded him, so whatever 8 teams are on his approved list will want to trade for him.

Now you say 61 points in his final year in Toronto, however you are conveniently leaving out his four 30+ goal seasons with the Leafs which was as high as 37 goals on two different occasions.

Nobody's conveniently leaving out anything. Both Kessel's resume and his most recent season are much more impressive now than during his last days in Toronto.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Screw retention. As an Avs fan I'd be willing to take on a negative value cap dump WITH Kessel just to get him at a cheaper price asset wise.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Screw retention. As an Avs fan I'd be willing to take on a negative value cap dump WITH Kessel just to get him at a cheaper price asset wise.

I know you're just saying this as a concept, but the Penguins really don't have many negative value dumps. The closest would be Hunwick, and I think he just has too small of a contract to be considered a negative value dump.

 

[LeafsNation75]

Leafs were actively trying to move him; teams knew this, so they weren't going to get max value for him. Kessel's $8 million three years ago was also lot harder to fit into a team's cap than his $6.8 million today would be.

Plus, fair or not he was carrying a "loser" label with him in Toronto where people thought he's not someone you can win with. He's since shown he can, in fact, be a big part of a Cup champion.

If the rumors are true that the Penguins are trying to trade him, why should any of the 8 teams on Kessel's no trade list want to give up anything spectacular knowing that. Let's not forget the reports of him not being happy that he didn't play on Malkin's line, so some might say it's his reputation that was with him in Toronto. Finally I don't know if he changed it since going to Pittsburgh but when the Leafs traded him besides the Penguins these were the other 7 teams on his list. The only thing he needed to change was adding another team since he became a Penguin.

1) Montreal

2) Philadelphia

3) New York Rangers

4) Chicago

5) Los Angeles

6) Minnesota

7) Boston

Would any of those teams that we know about give Pittsburgh fair value?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I know you're just saying this as a concept, but the Penguins really don't have many negative value dumps. The closest would be Hunwick, and I think he just has too small of a contract to be considered a negative value dump.

Hagelin.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Hagelin.

Only 1 year left and he's paid pretty fairly considering what he brings. He had 31 points in 82 games last season and brings a lot with his defensive game and speed.

If the rumors are true that the Penguins are trying to trade him, why should any of the 8 teams on Kessel's no trade list want to give up anything spectacular knowing that. Let's not forget the reports of him not being happy that he didn't play on Malkin's line, so some might say it's his reputation that was with him in Toronto. Finally I don't know if he changed it since going to Pittsburgh but when the Leafs traded him besides the Penguins these were the other 7 teams on his list. The only thing he needed to change was adding another team since he became a Penguin.

1) Montreal

2) Philadelphia

3) New York Rangers

4) Chicago

5) Los Angeles

6) Minnesota

7) Boston

Would any of those teams that we know about give Pittsburgh fair value?

You're making a massive assumption that Kessel doesn't want to leave Pittsburgh like he didn't want to leave Toronto, which is an extremely questionable idea to have.

 

[rt]

People attacking Friedman’s credibility serves a useful purpose. It’s like people with political bumper stickers on their cars. It really makes quick and easy work of dismissing them completely.

 

[Captain Controversy]

Klefbom + for kessel retained ?

 

[Sidney the Kidney]

If the rumors are true that the Penguins are trying to trade him, why should any of the 8 teams on Kessel's no trade list want to give up anything spectacular knowing that. Let's not forget the reports of him not being happy that he didn't play on Malkin's line, so some might say it's his reputation that was with him in Toronto. Finally I don't know if he changed it since going to Pittsburgh but when the Leafs traded him besides the Penguins these were the other 7 teams on his list. The only thing he needed to change was adding another team since he became a Penguin.

1) Montreal

2) Philadelphia

3) New York Rangers

4) Chicago

5) Los Angeles

6) Minnesota

7) Boston

Would any of those teams that we know about give Pittsburgh fair value?

If you're going to put any stock in those "rumors", then you should also believe that Kessel is willing to be traded as well. Which means he'd likely waive his NTC so it would expand beyond an 8 team list.

In which case, there'd be a bunch of teams bidding against each other. When Toronto traded him, Pittsburgh was probably the only team on his list he'd waive for that also had the a]space and b]desire to add a winger at that price.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Would any of those teams that we know about give Pittsburgh fair value?

Ask yourself why Pittsburgh would trade a 92 point player who was a critical part of 2 Cup wins for anything less than fair value.

 

[LeafsNation75]

If you're going to put any stock in those "rumors", then you should also believe that Kessel is willing to be traded as well. Which means he'd likely waive his NTC so it would expand beyond an 8 team list.

In which case, there'd be a bunch of teams bidding against each other. When Toronto traded him, Pittsburgh was probably the only team on his list he'd waive for that also had the a]space and b]desire to add a winger at that price.

Maybe I'm wrong but when any NHL player has to submit a list of teams with a modified no trade it means he doesn't have to agree to be traded, assuming a team on his list wants to trade for him. So couldn't the Penguins just trade Kessel to a team on his approved list and not tell him?

Also when Toronto traded him only Pittsburgh was willing to talk about trading for him, none of the other teams on Kessel's approved teams wanted him.

Leafs fans speculated at the time that Kessel didn't want to leave Toronto and why he choose those teams thinking they wouldn't want him or couldn't afford him.