OT: Coronavirus XXXV: Y'all Got Any More of Them Vaccines?

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  1. CycloneSweep Registered User

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    Jesus Christ that's baffling. Delaying the second dose makes the second dose near useless. And delaying it just so more people get the first dose is how you literally waste the vaccine.

    My god that's pure incompetence there
     
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    Thanks. So the only difference is Moderna storage at -20C and Pfizer at -70--80C.
     
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    I wouldn't be that worried about it. Eventually like the flu Covid will mutate to be less damaging to be able to sustain itself.
    If we are going to live with it like the flu it's not a huge deal. If you are at risk get a flu shot if not just practice proper hygiene and stuff.
     
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    Sorry. Maybe I was too vague. Today "Russians hacked" internal memos from Pfizer. I do not think this supposed leak is in relation to Quebec.
     
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    Moderna and Pfizer. "Please buy more of our product and shares now"

    lets not forget in all of this what business these companies are in, and its not always benevolence. This has been a once in a century lottery for all these big pharma firms in which they are taking over as big players on any block.
     
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    Do you have a link or any evidence of that?
     
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    well good.

    im just skeptical of blaming the feds here. it just seems like a political move for no reason. no one was going to come out of this with a win.

    I am ok that everyone should be held accountable but preferably to the same standard.

    I just think its common sense that Canada may runout of vaccinations....but i dont know what the global capacity is.
     
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    Sorry, but I can't post that here; it is not as simple as posting a link.

    What evidence would you like me to provide? I have not claimed anything other than an alleged leak. I have not discussed what is in the memos; and I most likely won't -- publicly, at least.
     
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    Unfortunately that’s a very common theme throughout this pandemic. Feds have a huge screwup but people give them a free pass.
     
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    Speaking of which. Just last week the Feds put all the blame on the provinces and told them to speed up vaccinations. Back to you Jr.
     
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    I'm less worried about the health effects, and more worried when I can get back to running my business which involves large gatherings. Im worried that this virus will continue to overwhelm our hospitals at times and continue this on/off approach with our society that our government is currently implementing.

    I keep hearing that we need to just hold on a few more months, but im getting more nervous as time goes on.
     
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    Once the vaccine is widespread enough things will go back to a new normal.

    I'm hoping the new normal is actual paid sick days being mandated (so many people go to work sick cause they can't afford to stay hope), maybe it comes out of the EI pot or something, I don't know.

    I think people may have to get a seasonal shot like the flu shot and stuff but I don't think it'll forever control our lives.
     
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    And this is what I was speaking to earlier, and afraid of. And here we are, already. Have a bunch of six shooters and no bullets.
     
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    I hope so. I’m hopeful the vaccine will work, and can be adjusted every year as needed.

    I can’t help but be concerned that because we have a hospital system designed to run at near capacity, that if things don’t go near perfectly with the vaccine that our hospitals get overwhelmed in the winter months and things get shut down.
     
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    #BlameKenney. ;)
     
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    A lot of virus actually become less harmful over time. All virus want to do is spread. If people become immune in various ways it'll slowly become less harmful to become more spreadable.

    Tons of people catch the flu every year and never show a single sign of it. Covid will be that too. Flu season may just become worse than it is in the past but our hospitals weren't near limits then anyways
     
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    isn't the first dose 80% effective?

    vaccinating twice as many people at 80% is better than half the people at 95%
     
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    not sure what the feds response is....

    "we declare war on pfizer and are invading their warehouse"
     
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    I know the Phizer one is 52% after shot 1, 92% after the second and a week later it goes up to 95%

    Edit: best way I had it explained is the first shot is kind of like putting your immune system thru medschool and the second shot is putting your immune system thru Interning as a doctor.
     
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    even then it's more than half...I don't see it as a terrible strategy
     
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    Say you have 1000000 shots.
    You vaccinate 1mill people essentially of that 1mill, 48% of them would not be protected thru it it which means you have 420k wasted shots
    You vaccinate 500k with it at 92% that leaves 40k able to catch it, with potentially 80k wasted shots.
    It's much more efficient to just give the shots out properly than just trying to vaccinate more.
     
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    and what about all the people catching it as you wait 2 weeks for the 2nd dose?
     
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    And another point to the efficacy of the vaccines is the period directly after the shot being very important. It's not like you get the needle and can immediately go prancing about thinking you are bullet-proof.It takes about two weeks afterward for the full effect. It's why that nurse contracted the virus even though she had just received the shot.
     
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    It's definitely a possiblity too. But after that second dose you have all those people extremely protected, the longer you wait the better chance you have more and more. Extending that windows puts them at risk.
     
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    I'm with the "vaccinate as many as you can" crowd. I think I read somewhere recently that you can have a delay of up to 42 days before getting the 2nd one. IMO, I would rather have twice the amount of people at around 52 % efficacy than half of them with 94%. The point is, we have to keep doing the things we are doing to protect ourselves, and not let our foot off the gas just because the immunizations have started.
     
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